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Post by rockymtblue2 on Aug 13, 2024 11:01:56 GMT -5
Sue looks wise for stepping out; DT does not. She's catching a fair amount of flack.
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Post by pinotbear on Aug 13, 2024 15:58:26 GMT -5
Sue looks wise for stepping out; DT does not. She's catching a fair amount of flack. not seeing it, anywhere. And, I'm not sure what the motivation is for stirring up controversy after a gold-medal run.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Aug 13, 2024 17:54:22 GMT -5
Sue looks wise for stepping out; DT does not. She's catching a fair amount of flack. not seeing it, anywhere. And, I'm not sure what the motivation is for stirring up controversy after a gold-medal run. I think it's a spin off from the kertuffle of not putting Clark on the team. Anything for clicks. Here is one of half dozen I've seen.
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Post by semper on Aug 13, 2024 20:53:01 GMT -5
Ridiculous. Yeah, it's more Clark s---.
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Post by bulkey on Aug 13, 2024 21:29:12 GMT -5
not seeing it, anywhere. And, I'm not sure what the motivation is for stirring up controversy after a gold-medal run. I think it's a spin off from the kertuffle of not putting Clark on the team. Anything for clicks. Here is one of half dozen I've seen. Yup. Now there's no way D gets elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame the very first second she's eligible. :-) :-) :-)
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Post by grrrrr on Aug 14, 2024 9:21:41 GMT -5
I think it's a spin off from the kertuffle of not putting Clark on the team. Anything for clicks. Here is one of half dozen I've seen. Yup. Now there's no way D gets elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame the very first second she's eligible. :-) :-) :-) "Greed ruined her legacy." Really? What a shi- thing to say. At the time of the tryouts Clark did not deserve to be picked. It seems to me after the tryouts Clark's WNBA game improved, not getting picked seemed to motivate her. How could you not be motivated to make the Olympic team is above my pay grade. As are most things.
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Post by swash on Aug 14, 2024 10:46:04 GMT -5
Yup. Now there's no way D gets elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame the very first second she's eligible. :-) :-) :-) "Greed ruined her legacy." Really? What a shi- thing to say. At the time of the tryouts Clark did not deserve to be picked. It seems to me after the tryouts Clark's WNBA game improved, not getting picked seemed to motivate her. How could you not be motivated to make the Olympic team is above my pay grade. As are most things. The internet also contains "evidence" that the Earth is flat, and proclamations that all people who aren't <someone's version of self> are clearly inferior, and a whole heaping odiferous pile of similar fecal matter. This entry belongs with those. Flush, plunge if necessary, and close the door behind you on the way out... but leave the fan running, eh? The US guards as a group weren't stellar in these Olympics. The selected mostly on scoring. Who's an above-average passer on that team (guards only ... PG, SG)? Great defenders? How about quality ball-handling? Gray was counted upon to bring those things, but didn't have them to offer in Paris. I admire Cheryl Reeve, but in my opinion she undervalues PG and hopes to achieve the things a traditional PG offers ... Ball security. Distribution. Leadership. Defense ... in other ways. Taurasi is not as quick as she once was, but even today is as good or better than anyone else on that team (and CC, too) at the amalgamation of those four things. As for Caitlin ... Not in 2024. You don't make the team in the media, else Bronny James would've be there too. She'll have her time.
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Post by bulkey on Aug 14, 2024 11:11:50 GMT -5
What I read is the Jen Rizzotti chaired the selection committee and that Reeve didn't have a major say. Who knows what were the actual dynamics?
Reeve based her approach on two pillars: tenacious defense and the twin towers of Stewie and A'ja. That worked pretty well. What France did was to commit for an entire year of practice (Gabby forwent the WNBA), while the USA team essentially forms as the Olympics go along. That's a structural problem for both men and women.
The men's team rode Steph's unreal performance in the final 4 minutes. Clark, for example, is somewhat capable of that, but I've never known her to be quite the surreal shooter (more the volume shooter) that Curry can be.
If I had been coaching the women, I would have tried to get Ionescu more involved earlier: she is great at distributing the ball and is a solid outside shooter. Of course, she may not be as quick on defense, and that might have been a real liability.
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Post by chicagogg on Aug 14, 2024 12:03:59 GMT -5
Hoping to see DT on the coaches bench in LA. Reeve said her leadership and one-on-one work with the entire team was outstanding. Sure the new team members benefited from D's leadership and advice. Still the GOAT as far as I am concerned. Haters going to hate. Clark's time will come.
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Post by swash on Aug 14, 2024 13:11:00 GMT -5
What I read is the Jen Rizzotti chaired the selection committee and that Reeve didn't have a major say. Who knows what were the actual dynamics? Reeve based her approach on two pillars: tenacious defense and the twin towers of Stewie and A'ja. That worked pretty well. What France did was to commit for an entire year of practice (Gabby forwent the WNBA), while the USA team essentially forms as the Olympics go along. That's a structural problem for both men and women. The men's team rode Steph's unreal performance in the final 4 minutes. Clark, for example, is somewhat capable of that, but I've never known her to be quite the surreal shooter (more the volume shooter) that Curry can be. If I had been coaching the women, I would have tried to get Ionescu more involved earlier: she is great at distributing the ball and is a solid outside shooter. Of course, she may not be as quick on defense, and that might have been a real liability. Agreed except for one thing... Sabrina is a fine passer and sees the floor very well. But ... France attacked her (Plum and Gray, too) every time she dribbled. They were successful with occasional outright theft, and near total disruption of the offensive flow in the half-court, forcing someone to beat the defense 1v1, rather than following the flow of the intended offense. It became the McD game. That's why Copper looked so good, her game is best when playing that way. It became the USA's best bet to let her (or Stewie or Aja) simply take it upon themselves to get a bucket. If there is a complaint about Napheesa, it is that she stuck with the game plan and looked to pass when doubled, rather than using her gifts to get a good shot. By then, the clock was already winding down and the movement structure had broken down.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Aug 14, 2024 14:24:02 GMT -5
I think it's a spin off from the kertuffle of not putting Clark on the team. Anything for clicks. Here is one of half dozen I've seen. Yup. Now there's no way D gets elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame the very first second she's eligible. :-) :-) :-) She's my GOAT, but like greats in various sports I think she's stayed too long.
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Post by bulkey on Aug 14, 2024 15:32:44 GMT -5
Yup. Now there's no way D gets elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame the very first second she's eligible. :-) :-) :-) She's my GOAT, but like greats in various sports I think she's stayed too long. Maybe, but this year in the WNBA, she averaged 16 pts, 4.7 ribbies, and 2.6 assists. Given those numbers and given how smart a player she is, I can see why a coach would want her on the floor.
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Post by swash on Aug 14, 2024 16:06:28 GMT -5
Yup. Now there's no way D gets elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame the very first second she's eligible. :-) :-) :-) She's my GOAT, but like greats in various sports I think she's stayed too long. Hard to define "too long". She clearly can still play at a very high level in the WNBA. We can take the fact that she was not put on the floor in the title game in Paris in multiple ways. - Was it the coach validly realizing that she couldn't do better than the others... or was it more of a mistake? - Had DT already imparted to the team the leadership for which she was selected, or might that wisdom and experience have helped the group break out of their collective funk and win big in the final game? I've had too many chances to observe the weakness of our ability to diagnose dementia in the past few years. The test is stunningly low-level (count down from 97, name 15 words that start with the letter "F"), such that someone who starts out at the low end of the cognitive spectrum will be shown to have fallen off. But someone who is brilliant can lose a huge amount and still pass with flying colors. My thesis is that those studies that suggest advanced degrees "ward off" that decline are less an indication that those pursuits helped the individual and more a proof that in fact some people can lose a lot and still "beat" the tests. Those tests remind me of the "Advanced Basketball" final exam at the university of Georgia a few years back where one of the multiple choice questions was ... (literally!!): How many points are awarded for a three-point shot? I see a parallel in D. We can agree that she's not as good as she was 15 years ago, but I say she's still a lot better than most rookies. I don't have the box scores in front of me. The eye test suggested that although her Olympic scoring was lower than expected (perhaps because that was not needed on this team), but that the rest of her game was pretty darned good for the minutes she played. Brady was supposedly done ... until he won another Superbowl. Then he was crowned. But that isn't the measure that impresses me to this day. I see a greater legacy in how much both of his teams dropped off a cliff without him. Not just less good, but MUCH worse.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Aug 14, 2024 16:23:47 GMT -5
She's my GOAT, but like greats in various sports I think she's stayed too long. Maybe, but this year in the WNBA, she averaged 16 pts, 4.7 ribbies, and 2.6 assists. Given those numbers and given how smart a player she is, I can see why a coach would want her on the floor. It was reported that she was either not playing or seeing limited duty in the Mercury games leading up to Paris. I don't know how to account for the great disparity in those stats vs Paris. I don't think they built the best team for the games.
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Post by linkster on Aug 14, 2024 23:32:00 GMT -5
Trick question. None are awarded for a shot. A made shot is another thing.
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Post by vtcwbuff on Aug 17, 2024 10:08:07 GMT -5
OK. I didn't watch the game but I did watch a You Tube video. The commentator said "What a devastating mistake by Williams" She's a veteran player, she knew the only play was a 3 point shot. She little hop step took her over the line the 3 point line - her mistake.
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Post by knightsbridgeaz on Aug 17, 2024 21:25:56 GMT -5
She's my GOAT, but like greats in various sports I think she's stayed too long. Maybe, but this year in the WNBA, she averaged 16 pts, 4.7 ribbies, and 2.6 assists. Given those numbers and given how smart a player she is, I can see why a coach would want her on the floor. I can't say I understand the idea that she's stayed to long, as she is still productive. As long as the efforts she takes to remain able to play - and apparently they are intense - are worth it to her, and she remains productive, it isn't too long. As noted in a Swash's post after yours, a decrease in her level of play doesn't necessarily lower her below still being a good player. I really think that she is at a point where you can not count on her consistency - while I haven't followed this year, I know the last few years I thought she was streaky. Definitely still worth having out there - and capable of hitting some great shots - but I have to admit that I would no longer pick her to take the final shot with the game on the line. Happens to every player. Now, if she keeps playing and becomes unproductive entirely, that's something else and "too long".
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