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Post by samanthabrown3 on Apr 4, 2021 21:28:14 GMT -5
I have someone in mind who might transfer, but I wouldn't be surprised if everyone stayed. The problem is that 3½ great freshmen are coming in. If players value minutes as much as everything else about playing for UConn, they might reconsider their commitment. We couldn't convince the other 1/2? Saylor, of course, you nut! 😄
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Post by nyhuskyfan on Apr 4, 2021 22:07:12 GMT -5
The thing with predicting who enters the portal means you know what is in a players heart and what their motivations are. As an almost 51 year old male, it would probably be frowned upon for me to try and build the types of relationships with these players that they would reveal to me their deepest inner thoughts. Lacking that intimate knowledge, I can't hazard a guess.
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Post by huskymaniac on Apr 5, 2021 7:23:06 GMT -5
Typically transfers are correlated to playing time. When they think they deserve more or when they saw a big drop, they are usually unhappy.
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Post by UConnChapette on Apr 5, 2021 7:38:54 GMT -5
If any players decide to enter the portal, I will support them - even if they transfer to ND or TN. Once a Husky always a Husky.
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Post by jhusky on Apr 5, 2021 9:35:09 GMT -5
I don't think Ono should leave. She should just get less playing time. Develop DeBerry and see how she fits in the rotation.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 5, 2021 9:52:08 GMT -5
Generally, bigs take the longest time to develop: footwork and the awkwardness of playing both towards and with back to the basket. UConn's offense is so complex and fluid that it makes it even more difficult for bigs to develop.
Look at the trajectory of UConn's recently greatest "pure" center, Stef Dolson. Took her nearly to her senior year to be the type of center Geno was looking for. Liv definitely showed flashes of that this year when she moved into the high post. Had she made a couple of those layups Friday night, we weren't be having this conversation.
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Post by chicagogg on Apr 5, 2021 10:10:15 GMT -5
Personally, I understand the speculation about the portal. But I still hate it. Why would we want any of the team to leave? They sacrificed so much to have an really, really good run. They came up short, as have all but 11 of the other UConn teams in the Geno era - that's what? 11 out of 37? I feel it's like saying let's kick one of our kids out of the nest because we are so darn hungry for the next group. E is staying, for which I am happy, she is the rock of the team. Why not give everyone from this year AND the incomers a chance to develop before we start "speculating"? Because, quite honestly, we wouldn't be having this rather guarded conversation unless we thought some of them were not playing up to their abilities, or more likely, our desires.
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Post by semper on Apr 5, 2021 10:38:23 GMT -5
I loved the revolution and the new portal when it first hit the fan. Now I'm taking a wait and see. Those who defend it say it balances out the inequities. Now the men can leap to the NBA and the women can leap to the portal, both with impunity. Dunno. We need a bit longer to ponder this change.
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Post by pinotbear on Apr 5, 2021 10:43:53 GMT -5
How tall is that half, anyway? ah, geez, break out the Hartley units!
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Post by swash on Apr 5, 2021 12:48:26 GMT -5
The best thing for this Program is if Geno tells Ono to enter the transfer portal, or start to make a living overseas until she can attempt to earn a living in the WNBA. I know this is going to be an unpopular post and Im sure I will get my fair share of Ire but to be as ineffective as she has been against the tougher teams at 6 foot 4, as a junior is really mind blowing. In the beginning of the year ONO was taking long jump shots just inside the 3pt line, I didnt think it could get worse than that until she started missing every single layup she took. Starting next season we need Edwards starting and Deberry backing her up. Disagree. Specifically: 1. Ineffective against good teams ... That's an old gripe. This season it does not hold. Not the case in TN. Not the case against SCar. She played okay against Baylor, too. Not her best against Arizona. 2. Long jump-shots ... That was for a brief period, resulting (I suspect) from a plan to draw an opposing big out, and she did hit a few. I agree that it isn't her strength from there, but she's pretty good from the foul line distance plus a step or two 3. Missing every layup ... against Arizona, it seemed like it, and that was a drag. But that was one bad game. She hit layups all season long 4. Edwards and Amari will both be ahead of her next season ... No way. There are two spots for bigs against most of the best teams, so you're going to need someone with AE. As we've seen this season, another option is good, but cannot afford to lose the best big you have. A freshman - especially one built like DeBerry and Olivia - is not going to come in and dominate. So unless you think Aubrey and Piath are sufficient support when foul trouble arises ... then we'll need the help. Olivia was Honorable mention AA this season, and will be better next year. Name the bigs you would prefer to have vs ONO this past season. That list is incredibly short. Boston? Sure. Brink? Developed a lot, but played less than half the time and was in perpetual foul trouble 5. Chase her away ... That's just not a lucid idea. In the pros, you take a player and jettison those that do not fit. In college, you develop the players you get. ONO has gotten better each year. I anticipate further growth next season
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Post by justinesguy on Apr 5, 2021 13:05:02 GMT -5
The best thing for this Program is if Geno tells Ono to enter the transfer portal, or start to make a living overseas until she can attempt to earn a living in the WNBA. I know this is going to be an unpopular post and Im sure I will get my fair share of Ire but to be as ineffective as she has been against the tougher teams at 6 foot 4, as a junior is really mind blowing. In the beginning of the year ONO was taking long jump shots just inside the 3pt line, I didnt think it could get worse than that until she started missing every single layup she took. Starting next season we need Edwards starting and Deberry backing her up. Disagree. Specifically: 1. Ineffective against good teams ... That's an old gripe. This season it does not hold. Not the case in TN. Not the case against SCar. She played okay against Baylor, too. Not her best against Arizona. 2. Long jump-shots ... That was for a brief period, resulting (I suspect) from a plan to draw an opposing big out, and she did hit a few. I agree that it isn't her strength from there, but she's pretty good from the foul line distance plus a step or two 3. Missing every layup ... against Arizona, it seemed like it, and that was a drag. But that was one bad game. She hit layups all season long 4. Edwards and Amari will both be ahead of her next season ... No way. There are two spots for bigs against most of the best teams, so you're going to need someone with AE. As we've seen this season, another option is good, but cannot afford to lose the best big you have. A freshman - especially one built like DeBerry and Olivia - is not going to come in and dominate. So unless you think Aubrey and Piath are sufficient support when foul trouble arises ... then we'll need the help. Olivia was Honorable mention AA this season, and will be better next year. Name the bigs you would prefer to have vs ONO this past season. That list is incredibly short. Boston? Sure. Brink? Developed a lot, but played less than half the time and was in perpetual foul trouble 5. Chase her away ... That's just not a lucid idea. In the pros, you take a player and jettison those that do not fit. In college, you develop the players you get. ONO has gotten better each year. I anticipate further growth next season I respect your opinion and I hope you can throw this post in my face next year cause I rather be right and win than be wrong and lose. Thats just my personal motto with posts like these. Regarding point number 1- Did ONO have like one basket in her last two games against Baylor? Perhaps im wrong. My point is shes ineffective against the teams that are physical. ONO is a fine center when shes playing against inferior post players or much shorter post players. You stick ONO in a game against Seton Hall or Georgetown, then yes she All American Caliber, you stick her again S carolina, Baylor or a Arizona type team and shes not effective.. Regarding point 3- I know shes missed more than her share of layups- I watch ever second of every game( as you probably do). Actually the whole team has had issues with missing easy layups. Geno even said it one post game that this team has missed more layups than all his teams ever.... Hyperbole? Sure but point taken right from the head coach... Regarding point 4- I rather have Edwards starting over ONO. Who do I want at the 4? I honestly cant answer that question. I dont know what the incoming freshman will look like, or the growth of the current bench players. Who would have thought Edwards would be starting? Who would have thought Anna would be hurt and or ineffective.. Its hard to answer that. I would think were going to be a guard dominated, three point shooting team considering Paige, Nika, Evina and CW should be lock starters.. I guess add Edwards and there you go.. I understand Azzi is probably a starter too... Im glad im not the coach hahaha.. Point 5- You might right and she may make a Dolson or Kara Wolters type leap? The problem is both those centers needed to get in shape, ONO is already in great shape. Listen I hope shes dominant next year and you can give me a big I told you so.... Time will tell
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Post by swash on Apr 5, 2021 13:10:20 GMT -5
I think Evina really enjoys her leadership role with this team and also recognizes that continuing her education will be of great benefit to her in the future. I'm reminded of Morgan Tuck and how short her pro career was because of knee injuries. Such an interesting point, Ken. So, really, the very opposite of "go into the pros because of the knee". Rather, get your education and experience because, no matter when you get to the pros, it's not going to be your life. I like it!!!! It isn't going to be her whole life no matter what. Even the ageless Sue Bird is looking for other options for her life after her playing days are over. Evina probably doesn't have a 30-year professional basketball playing career ahead. Let's say she plays in the W for 10 years. She's in her low thirties and not a multi-zillionaire. There's a lot more life left. She could be better than most in the booth tomorrow. She could decide to chase the coaching ranks. She could go into marketing or finance, too. Maybe even decide to be a mom for real at some point
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Post by bulkey on Apr 5, 2021 13:12:39 GMT -5
Aaliyah is extremely effective as a 4. She will be undersized as a 5 against certain teams. And right, you don't know what incoming freshman will replace the height lost by Liv's sitting.
But the whole idea, JG, just doesn't accord with how Geno has run his team. You may disagree with that approach, either in general or specially here. But he's done pretty well.
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Post by BJ42 on Apr 5, 2021 13:18:20 GMT -5
The best thing for this Program is if Geno tells Ono to enter the transfer portal, or start to make a living overseas until she can attempt to earn a living in the WNBA. I know this is going to be an unpopular post and Im sure I will get my fair share of Ire but to be as ineffective as she has been against the tougher teams at 6 foot 4, as a junior is really mind blowing. In the beginning of the year ONO was taking long jump shots just inside the 3pt line, I didnt think it could get worse than that until she started missing every single layup she took. Starting next season we need Edwards starting and Deberry backing her up. Bitch all you want about Ono but without her interior defense, this team wouldn't have gotten past Syracuse in the S16.
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Post by swash on Apr 5, 2021 13:44:15 GMT -5
Disagree. Specifically: 1. Ineffective against good teams ... That's an old gripe. This season it does not hold. Not the case in TN. Not the case against SCar. She played okay against Baylor, too. Not her best against Arizona. 2. Long jump-shots ... That was for a brief period, resulting (I suspect) from a plan to draw an opposing big out, and she did hit a few. I agree that it isn't her strength from there, but she's pretty good from the foul line distance plus a step or two 3. Missing every layup ... against Arizona, it seemed like it, and that was a drag. But that was one bad game. She hit layups all season long 4. Edwards and Amari will both be ahead of her next season ... No way. There are two spots for bigs against most of the best teams, so you're going to need someone with AE. As we've seen this season, another option is good, but cannot afford to lose the best big you have. A freshman - especially one built like DeBerry and Olivia - is not going to come in and dominate. So unless you think Aubrey and Piath are sufficient support when foul trouble arises ... then we'll need the help. Olivia was Honorable mention AA this season, and will be better next year. Name the bigs you would prefer to have vs ONO this past season. That list is incredibly short. Boston? Sure. Brink? Developed a lot, but played less than half the time and was in perpetual foul trouble 5. Chase her away ... That's just not a lucid idea. In the pros, you take a player and jettison those that do not fit. In college, you develop the players you get. ONO has gotten better each year. I anticipate further growth next season I respect your opinion and I hope you can throw this post in my face next year cause I rather be right and win than be wrong and lose. Thats just my personal motto with posts like these. Regarding point number 1- Did ONO have like one basket in her last two games against Baylor? Perhaps im wrong. My point is shes ineffective against the teams that are physical. ONO is a fine center when shes playing against inferior post players or much shorter post players. You stick ONO in a game against Seton Hall or Georgetown, then yes she All American Caliber, you stick her again S carolina, Baylor or a Arizona type team and shes not effective.. Regarding point 3- I know shes missed more than her share of layups- I watch ever second of every game( as you probably do). Actually the whole team has had issues with missing easy layups. Geno even said it one post game that this team has missed more layups than all his teams ever.... Hyperbole? Sure but point taken right from the head coach... Regarding point 4- I rather have Edwards starting over ONO. Who do I want at the 4? I honestly cant answer that question. I dont know what the incoming freshman will look like, or the growth of the current bench players. Who would have thought Edwards would be starting? Who would have thought Anna would be hurt and or ineffective.. Its hard to answer that. I would think were going to be a guard dominated, three point shooting team considering Paige, Nika, Evina and CW should be lock starters.. I guess add Edwards and there you go.. I understand Azzi is probably a starter too... Im glad im not the coach hahaha.. Point 5- You might right and she may make a Dolson or Kara Wolters type leap? The problem is both those centers needed to get in shape, ONO is already in great shape. Listen I hope shes dominant next year and you can give me a big I told you so.... Time will tell Fair enough. One last bit ... EVERYone has more trouble playing center against SCar or Baylor or even Arizona than they do against Villanova or Iowa. That's hardly a shock. Those teams didn't find those defensive awards in a Happy Meal, they earned them.
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Post by pinotbear on Apr 5, 2021 15:32:05 GMT -5
Just a reminder: While Liv may not have scored many points against Iowa and Baylor, the two previous games - 7 points, total - in those two games she compiled 19 rebounds, 6 blocks and 11 assists. Against the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight opponents, those are stunning numbers - the game's about more than just scoring points.
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Post by linkster on Apr 5, 2021 15:34:38 GMT -5
Generally, bigs take the longest time to develop: footwork and the awkwardness of playing both towards and with back to the basket. UConn's offense is so complex and fluid that it makes it even more difficult for bigs to develop. Look at the trajectory of UConn's recently greatest "pure" center, Stef Dolson. Took her nearly to her senior year to be the type of center Geno was looking for. Liv definitely showed flashes of that this year when she moved into the high post. Had she made a couple of those layups Friday night, we weren't be having this conversation. from my POV it isn't a question of skill or talent. ONO just doesn't handle stressful situations well. No one with her talent/skills misses that many bunnies unless they are afraid of something (missing?). It's correctable.
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Post by linkster on Apr 5, 2021 15:36:44 GMT -5
I remember 2008 when junior Montgunnery went something like 2-14 from 3 and cost UConn a final four game. She had a fine senior year and UConn won the title.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 5, 2021 15:47:20 GMT -5
Can we rename this thread the Liv Appreciation Thread?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 16:05:57 GMT -5
The best thing for this Program is if Geno tells Ono to enter the transfer portal, or start to make a living overseas until she can attempt to earn a living in the WNBA. I know this is going to be an unpopular post and Im sure I will get my fair share of Ire but to be as ineffective as she has been against the tougher teams at 6 foot 4, as a junior is really mind blowing. In the beginning of the year ONO was taking long jump shots just inside the 3pt line, I didnt think it could get worse than that until she started missing every single layup she took. Starting next season we need Edwards starting and Deberry backing her up. Disagree. Specifically: 1. Ineffective against good teams ... That's an old gripe. This season it does not hold. Not the case in TN. Not the case against SCar. She played okay against Baylor, too. Not her best against Arizona. 2. Long jump-shots ... That was for a brief period, resulting (I suspect) from a plan to draw an opposing big out, and she did hit a few. I agree that it isn't her strength from there, but she's pretty good from the foul line distance plus a step or two 3. Missing every layup ... against Arizona, it seemed like it, and that was a drag. But that was one bad game. She hit layups all season long 4. Edwards and Amari will both be ahead of her next season ... No way. There are two spots for bigs against most of the best teams, so you're going to need someone with AE. As we've seen this season, another option is good, but cannot afford to lose the best big you have. A freshman - especially one built like DeBerry and Olivia - is not going to come in and dominate. So unless you think Aubrey and Piath are sufficient support when foul trouble arises ... then we'll need the help. Olivia was Honorable mention AA this season, and will be better next year. Name the bigs you would prefer to have vs ONO this past season. That list is incredibly short. Boston? Sure. Brink? Developed a lot, but played less than half the time and was in perpetual foul trouble 5. Chase her away ... That's just not a lucid idea. In the pros, you take a player and jettison those that do not fit. In college, you develop the players you get. ONO has gotten better each year. I anticipate further growth next season Who knows; maybe Olivia will stay @ UConn for the extra year .................
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 16:06:48 GMT -5
Can we rename this thread the Liv Appreciation Thread? She's gonna stay @ UConn for 5 years now.......
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Post by bulkey on Apr 5, 2021 16:08:17 GMT -5
Can we rename this thread the Liv Appreciation Thread? She's gonna stay @ UConn for 5 years now....... If for no other reason, just to piss off Justin's Guy
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Post by semper on Apr 5, 2021 17:18:54 GMT -5
Yeah, but just to be clear, it's OK for Justine's Guy to express an opinion.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 5, 2021 17:33:31 GMT -5
Yeah, but just to be clear, it's OK for Justin's Guy to express an opinion. Of course! Justin esguy is, well, my guy! We've been together on two boards now. JG speaks his mind, and it's often just plain wrong, and we enjoy telling him that.
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Post by UConnChapette on Apr 5, 2021 17:38:53 GMT -5
Yeah, but just to be clear, it's OK for Justin's Guy to express an opinion. Of course! Justin's Guy is, well, my guy! We've been together on two boards now. JG speaks his mind, and it's often just plain wrong, and we enjoy telling him that. Okay...I have seen it a few times now. I think JG would appreciate it if we called him correctly Justin esguy. Not sure who Justin is. Maybe Justine's twin brother?
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