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Post by semper on Sept 26, 2021 8:35:05 GMT -5
Huh, huh? It's getting closer to reality so what the heck, right?
Three guards and 2 bigs or 4 guards? Or does it just depend on who we are playing? will there be a core that always starts and a second core that plays together to come in all at once? What is going to be going on?
Or do you hate me for asking?
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Post by jhusky on Sept 26, 2021 10:04:45 GMT -5
Huh, huh? It's getting closer to reality so what the heck, right?
Three guards and 2 bigs or 4 guards? Or does it just depend on who we are playing? will there be a core that always starts and a second core that plays together to come in all at once? What is going to be going on?
Or do you hate me for asking?
Don't hate you for asking. I think against most Big East teams, 4 guards will start, sllowing for plenty of playing time for 2 bigs from among Ono, Edwards and Juhasz. Against teams like South Carolina, 2 bigs could start, with the substitution pattern somewhat reversed. The goal, i would think, would be not only winning individual games, but also developing on the court cohesiveness and skill for both lineups come tournament time
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Post by swash on Sept 26, 2021 10:22:06 GMT -5
Huh, huh? It's getting closer to reality so what the heck, right?
Three guards and 2 bigs or 4 guards? Or does it just depend on who we are playing? will there be a core that always starts and a second core that plays together to come in all at once? What is going to be going on?
Or do you hate me for asking?
Geno likes a core. I think he will have a starting group that is fairly consistent with a little room to tweak or work around minor injuries. Don't expect a hockey line change, though he has the personnel to do it this year. I think Dorka is a big key. If she's great, we'll usually see Liv, Aaliyah, and her up front. Aubrey will scrap for minutes, too. If DJ is merely good, he'll play four guards ... a lot. Paige, Christyn, Evina, and Azzi will all be tough to sit. Nika and Caroline are a notch back, with more talent left. SCar and Stanford have quality size. UCONN rarely changes the starting lineup based on the opponent, but the brain trust may consider it this year. Of course we don't hate you for posting this question. Now tell us what you think.
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Post by swash on Sept 26, 2021 10:29:03 GMT -5
Huh, huh? It's getting closer to reality so what the heck, right?
Three guards and 2 bigs or 4 guards? Or does it just depend on who we are playing? will there be a core that always starts and a second core that plays together to come in all at once? What is going to be going on?
Or do you hate me for asking?
Don't hate you for asking. I think against most Big East teams, 4 guards will start, sllowing for plenty of playing time for 2 bigs from among Ono, Edwards and Juhasz. Against teams like South Carolina, 2 bigs could start, with the substitution pattern somewhat reversed. The goal, i would think, would be not only winning individual games, but also developing on the court cohesiveness and skill for both lineups come tournament time
Good thoughts, jhusky. I think the biggest question for the season is how they decide to play. Sprint, trap, run out until you drop and tag up, or press and run here and there when opportunities arise, but mostly play the usual style. This group is capable of either. Tough to get ready for an all out up tempo game early, with so many newbies, but wow what a fun ride that would be.
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Post by bulkey on Sept 26, 2021 13:06:02 GMT -5
Geno is huge on loyalty and continuity. Same starting five as last year until it's obvious there needs to be changes. The difference from last year is that substitions will come earlier and more often.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Sept 26, 2021 15:12:16 GMT -5
What to say. First I don't hate the thread. I hate when there are 20 threads asking the question as is the case on TOB. swash raises the possibility of Liv, Dorka and Aaliyah playing up front and 2 guards. I could see that in very limited circumstances where the other team's bigs are crushing it - like maybe Stanford.
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Post by semper on Sept 26, 2021 15:32:06 GMT -5
Dorka is a mystery as for now, so we can't count on her starting. She'll be great off the bench, though, and means we don't have to sweat bullets over Liv's foul troubles. I agree with Bulkey that Geno rarely sits his previously consist starters, and that others will earn their time, case by case basis. I think at the beginning of the season we'll see Paige, Evina, CW, Liv and Aaliyah, but there will be many more subs in during the second half than we have seen for a long time. Then, depending on how things go in practice and who the opponent is, there may be changes earlier to the starting lineup, but it is hard for Geno to take a player out of the starting lineup when she has been in it for a good amount of time. If he does shake things up with starters, that will mean that Dorka and Azzi have been blow away brilliant in practice. I think that Nika won't be a starter, though, and she was sometimes last year. She will be a spark off the bench, for sure. He's got to get his bigs in good shape and experienced for the big games and the FF. We can win our conference with a 4-guard lineup, but we probably won't be killing SCar and Stanford with 4 guards.
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Post by semper on Sept 26, 2021 15:50:50 GMT -5
Reading back through it seems we all are in fairly consistent agreement. Interesting...well, pretty soon we'll know.
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Post by bulkey on Sept 26, 2021 15:52:59 GMT -5
Geno--like any good teacher or parent--believes in "natural consequences." It's essential for learning that one sees why their actions have resulted in consequences.
The same five players returned to UConn with the expectation (maybe for some, less of an expectation but still an expectation) of starting. For Geno to replace one of the starters, he'll want that starter to appreciate why the replacement is a better fit for the team. That happens when it's obvious in a game (Kia outplaying Saniya in the Stanford loss at the beginning of 2014/15) and/or a series of practices, in which the starter seems to be getting less floor time with the other starters and begins to hear/see Geno's reasoning.
This all takes a bit of time and maybe even a couple of early losses.
Of course, I was sure last season that Paige wouldn't start for a bit. So, based on my proven judgment the starters this November will be: Piath, Aubrey, Mir, Saylor, and CD4.
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Post by semper on Sept 26, 2021 16:11:30 GMT -5
Yeah, Paige was just that good. Very rare. Even D didn't do it; Maya did, right quick. Will Azzi be "that" good? Dunno.
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Post by linkster on Sept 26, 2021 19:38:05 GMT -5
Does anyone deny that minutes are determined from practice?
First practice is about 3 weeks away.
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Post by swash on Sept 26, 2021 19:50:52 GMT -5
What to say. First I don't hate the thread. I hate when there are 20 threads asking the question as is the case on TOB. swash raises the possibility of Liv, Dorka and Aaliyah playing up front and 2 guards. I could see that in very limited circumstances where the other team's bigs are crushing it - like maybe Stanford. While we may see them all in there at once, I meant two at a time up front with a starter-level sub (remember, this was my DJ is great scenario) ... plus Aubrey, who would start nearly anywhere but UCONN. In the case where Dorka can't earn top minutes, I think we'll see 4 guards, with E, Saylor, and Caroline trying to play D against the opponent PF (if they have one)
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Post by huskymaniac on Sept 26, 2021 20:38:48 GMT -5
1. Paige 2. Christyn 3. Evina 4. Olivia 5. Azzi or Aaliyah (depends on whether Geno wants size or shooting at the start)
I would go with Aaliyah as we don't tend to shoot well at the start and need rebounds. BUT, if Azzi is as good as advertised, she will get a ton of PT. I think Aubry and Nika will also get plenty of PT. If Caroline can stay in front of the better guards and still hit her shots, she will play too. If anyone else gets significant PT outside of blowouts, we have a problem. Those are nine names. When was the last time Geno went nine deep? The fact that Geno took Dorka is a sign of his confidence in Amari. I hope she uses this year to learn and get in shape because she will be needed in the future.
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Post by swash on Sept 27, 2021 5:26:46 GMT -5
1. Paige 2. Christyn 3. Evina 4. Olivia 5. Azzi or Aaliyah (depends on whether Geno wants size or shooting at the start) I would go with Aaliyah as we don't tend to shoot well at the start and need rebounds. BUT, if Azzi is as good as advertised, she will get a ton of PT. I think Aubry and Nika will also get plenty of PT. If Caroline can stay in front of the better guards and still hit her shots, she will play too. If anyone else gets significant PT outside of blowouts, we have a problem. Those are nine names. When was the last time Geno went nine deep? The fact that Geno took Dorka is a sign of his confidence in Amari. I hope she uses this year to learn and get in shape because she will be needed in the future. It's going to be hard not to go 9-10 deep this season. I think Dorka will be in the rotation. I don't understand your last sentence, can you say that another way? How does Dorka help Amari? ... Especially if she (DJ) is not good enough to earn significant minutes?
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Post by huskymaniac on Sept 27, 2021 7:00:13 GMT -5
1. Paige 2. Christyn 3. Evina 4. Olivia 5. Azzi or Aaliyah (depends on whether Geno wants size or shooting at the start) I would go with Aaliyah as we don't tend to shoot well at the start and need rebounds. BUT, if Azzi is as good as advertised, she will get a ton of PT. I think Aubry and Nika will also get plenty of PT. If Caroline can stay in front of the better guards and still hit her shots, she will play too. If anyone else gets significant PT outside of blowouts, we have a problem. Those are nine names. When was the last time Geno went nine deep? The fact that Geno took Dorka is a sign of his confidence in Amari. I hope she uses this year to learn and get in shape because she will be needed in the future. It's going to be herd not to go 9-10 deep this season. I think Dorka will be in the rotation. I don't understand your last sentence, can you say that another way? How does Dorka help Amari? ... Especially if she (DJ) is not good enough to earn significant minutes? He took Dorka because he is not confident in Amari's ability to contribute immediately. Neither will get significant minutes unless Olivia gets injured physically or mentally. Dorka is an insurance policy.
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Post by vtcwbuff on Sept 27, 2021 7:03:54 GMT -5
Bueckers Muhl Williams Westbrook Nelson-Ododa
Major minutes off the bench - Azzi, Edwards, Griffin
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Sept 27, 2021 8:16:23 GMT -5
I don't get the enthusiasm for Aubrey. She's an awesome athlete but to date has been a less than mediocre scorer. Good for rebounds but if anyone is going to get plenty of time they should be a scorer.
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Post by bulkey on Sept 27, 2021 8:45:40 GMT -5
I don't get the enthusiasm for Aubrey. She's an awesome athlete but to date has been a less than mediocre scorer. Good for rebounds but if anyone is going to get plenty of time they should be a scorer. Not only an inconsistent scorer, Geno gets frustrated with her for playing out of control sometimes. It's possible that, given her extraordinary physical gifts, basketball might not be her natural game. Something more structured, like volleyball, perhaps. But sometimes an athlete has an "aha" moment, when everything clicks into place and the game suddenly slows down for them. Hoping that comes to Aubrey this year.
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Post by swash on Sept 27, 2021 8:56:05 GMT -5
Bueckers Muhl Williams Westbrook Nelson-Ododa Major minutes off the bench - Azzi, Edwards, Griffin This seems like a very real possibility. 4 guards and Liv, with E playing the four-spot on defense. This lineup worked very well late last year except for against Baylor, whose best player, Nalyssa Smith, was/is an outstanding power forward. This puts three natural PGs on the floor at once, and Bueckers plays wing. If they go with 2 bigs, either Aaliyah or Dorka starts and Nika gets added to the subs-with-significant-minutes group. I think if Juhasz can earn that starting slot, that'll be the five. This probably moves Evina to the Point and keeps Bueckers at the three, although those two toggled those roles a lot last season. I think Geno likes Edwards coming in off the bench to bring energy and grit. However, Fudd could force her way into that top lineup as well, bumping either Muhl (4 guards) or Westbrook (if Dorka shines as above). That four-guard setup would see PB back to the PG spot and move AF to the three. If Azzi and Dorka both stand out, then Paige again gets the lead guard slot, Christyn at the two, Azzi on the wing, with Dorka and Liv. I think that is a less likely, but not crazy.
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Post by swash on Sept 27, 2021 9:07:16 GMT -5
I don't get the enthusiasm for Aubrey. She's an awesome athlete but to date has been a less than mediocre scorer. Good for rebounds but if anyone is going to get plenty of time they should be a scorer. Aubrey is the best defender 1:1 against anyone under 6'4" - even better in the open floor. She hustles and earns rebounds that others rarely get. Her scoring isn't great, but it is acceptable on a per-minutes basis. If they play a trapping Defense, expect Aubrey to feature prominently. She didn't progress as far as I expected last year, but part of that may have been caused by her nagging injuries before we knew about them. I still think she's got more to give, but there is a lot of talent battling for minutes. I hope her confidence is high and she makes a nice leap this season.
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Post by vtcwbuff on Sept 27, 2021 10:24:44 GMT -5
I don't get the enthusiasm for Aubrey. She's an awesome athlete but to date has been a less than mediocre scorer. Good for rebounds but if anyone is going to get plenty of time they should be a scorer. I disagree. Last year she averaged 6+ ppg in only 16 mpg off the bench. She shot over 50% and she was a very effective defender. I think she gets more minutes this year.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Sept 27, 2021 14:07:11 GMT -5
I don't get the enthusiasm for Aubrey. She's an awesome athlete but to date has been a less than mediocre scorer. Good for rebounds but if anyone is going to get plenty of time they should be a scorer. I disagree. Last year she averaged 6+ ppg in only 16 mpg off the bench. She shot over 50% and she was a very effective defender. I think she gets more minutes this year. She's a utility player. Maybe her overall utility will advance this year and her scoring range improve. It's her defensive prowess, including her leaping ability, that has put her on the floor. The bench includes others who need minutes to grow. I doubt her minutes grow this year. A little subtext to keep an eye on.
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Post by huskymaniac on Sept 27, 2021 15:01:40 GMT -5
Bueckers Muhl Williams Westbrook Nelson-Ododa Major minutes off the bench - Azzi, Edwards, Griffin This seems like a very real possibility. 4 guards and Liv, with E playing the four-spot on defense. This lineup worked very well late last year except for against Baylor, whose best player, Nalyssa Smith, was/is an outstanding power forward. This puts three natural PGs on the floor at once, and Bueckers plays wing. If they go with 2 bigs, either Aaliyah or Dorka starts and Nika gets added to the subs-with-significant-minutes group. I think if Juhasz can earn that starting slot, that'll be the five. This probably moves Evina to the Point and keeps Bueckers at the three, although those two toggled those roles a lot last season. I think Geno likes Edwards coming in off the bench to bring energy and grit. However, Fudd could force her way into that top lineup as well, bumping either Muhl (4 guards) or Westbrook (if Dorka shines as above). That four-guard setup would see PB back to the PG spot and move AF to the three. If Azzi and Dorka both stand out, then Paige again gets the lead guard slot, Christyn at the two, Azzi on the wing, with Dorka and Liv. I think that is a less likely, but not crazy. No way Dorka starts. She isn't that good. This team is loaded with superstars.
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Post by swash on Sept 27, 2021 17:44:37 GMT -5
This seems like a very real possibility. 4 guards and Liv, with E playing the four-spot on defense. This lineup worked very well late last year except for against Baylor, whose best player, Nalyssa Smith, was/is an outstanding power forward. This puts three natural PGs on the floor at once, and Bueckers plays wing. If they go with 2 bigs, either Aaliyah or Dorka starts and Nika gets added to the subs-with-significant-minutes group. I think if Juhasz can earn that starting slot, that'll be the five. This probably moves Evina to the Point and keeps Bueckers at the three, although those two toggled those roles a lot last season. I think Geno likes Edwards coming in off the bench to bring energy and grit. However, Fudd could force her way into that top lineup as well, bumping either Muhl (4 guards) or Westbrook (if Dorka shines as above). That four-guard setup would see PB back to the PG spot and move AF to the three. If Azzi and Dorka both stand out, then Paige again gets the lead guard slot, Christyn at the two, Azzi on the wing, with Dorka and Liv. I think that is a less likely, but not crazy. No way Dorka starts. She isn't that good. This team is loaded with superstars. I hope they're all fantastic this season and they make it very tough to handle the lineups because every combo crushes the opponents in every way. Dorka is very interesting. In the clips, she passes well and runs the floor. Shoots for a good percentage based on last season's stats, and did we mention that she is 6'4" (maybe even taller says Geno). Also had a good quantity of rebounds and especially Offensive rebounds if I recall. Put those together with D1 experience and a supposedly eager-to-learn attitude, and it really comes down to how well she defends and lives up to her abilities. Maybe you'll turn out to be correct, of course - but this is an interesting player who could be sneaky-great.
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Post by bulkey on Sept 28, 2021 8:05:56 GMT -5
No way Dorka starts. She isn't that good. This team is loaded with superstars. I hope they're all fantastic this season and they make it very tough to handle the lineups because every combo crushes the opponents in every way. Dorka is very interesting. In the clips, she passes well and runs the floor. Shoots for a good percentage based on last season's stats, and did we mention that she is 6'4" (maybe even taller says Geno). Also had a good quantity of rebounds and especially Offensive rebounds if I recall. Put those together with D1 experience and a supposedly eager-to-learn attitude, and it really comes down to how well she defends and lives up to her abilities. Maybe you'll turn out to be correct, of course - but this is an interesting player who could be sneaky-great. +1. Judging from the end of last year, UConn doesn't need better guard play. It needs better "big" play. Aaliyah had a super freshman year. But she didn't have a fabulous summer tournament, and from the brief clips I saw of practice, I worry she might not yet be basketball fit. But in any case, they will need either Dorka (6'5" almost certainly) or even Amari (though a freshman) to help out significantly, for their very best play against South Carolina and, if they meet them in the tournament, Stanford.
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