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Post by bulkey on Jul 26, 2021 22:11:31 GMT -5
That's really amazing. That probably means the deal with the SEC is in place. What a football conference! And WCBB improves, too. Earlier Monday, Oklahoma and Texas said in a joint statement released by both schools that they officially notified the Big 12 they will not be renewing their grants of media rights after their expiration in 2025.
Big 12 sources told ESPN on Monday that the statement leaves some "wiggle room" and doesn't fully guarantee that the flagship schools would remain in the league through 2025. The possibility remains that they will pay the $75 million to $80 million penalty for leaving early, while also giving the required 18 months' notice, per Big 12 bylaws.
www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31891660/oklahoma-state-cowboys-president-kayse-shrum-blasts-oklahoma-sooners-statement |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 26, 2021 22:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by jhusky on Jul 27, 2021 7:14:29 GMT -5
I doubt Ohio State and Michigan would leave the Big 10. Oklahoma, Texas Clemson and Florida State to the SEC all seem to make financial sense on both sides. Adding these 4 schools would make an 18 school conference. All depends on the increased broadcasting revenues.
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Post by bulkey on Jul 27, 2021 8:06:09 GMT -5
I doubt Ohio State and Michigan would leave the Big 10. Oklahoma, Texas Clemson and Florida State to the SEC all seem to make financial sense on both sides. Adding these 4 schools would make an 18 school conference. All depends on the increased broadcasting revenues. Agree that OSU and MI make little sense. They have enormously rich traditions within the mid-Western land grant culture. |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 27, 2021 12:20:21 GMT -5
Turn out the lights, the party's over...
The Big 12 is now the little 10....
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Post by swash on Jul 27, 2021 13:05:10 GMT -5
Turn out the lights, the party's over... The Big 12 is now the little 10.... Thank goodness the not-so-big12 didn't decide to include UCONN some time ago. We'd be back to last team standing in the Big 12. Baylor will be gone soon, too. Leaving the Conference with their new moniker, AAC 2.0. They don't really want to all be in the SEC. They just want full control over the Football playoffs and only about 20-25 teams vying for the trophy. Everyone else will be in a separate division like D2 only with scholarships. They may even spin off basketball, though that is not likely. Then NCAA is dead where it stands. Might be lucky enough to continue to be the holder of tournaments for the "other" sports |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 27, 2021 13:42:31 GMT -5
Turn out the lights, the party's over... The Big 12 is now the little 10.... Thank goodness the not-so-big12 didn't decide to include UCONN some time ago. We'd be back to last team standing in the Big 12. Baylor will be gone soon, too. Leaving the Conference with their new moniker, AAC 2.0. They don't really want to all be in the SEC. They just want full control over the Football playoffs and only about 20-25 teams vying for the trophy. Everyone else will be in a separate division like D2 only with scholarships. They may even spin off basketball, though that is not likely. Then NCAA is dead where it stands. Might be lucky enough to continue to be the holder of tournaments for the "other" sports You make a great point about the SEC wanting to effectively control the football playoff. There are three extraordinary things happening simultaneously: the transfer portal, NIL, and the expansion of the playoffs to eight teams. No one knows what this means, but the SEC likely thinks it can best manage all the uncertainty if it starts out with a lock on several of those playoff spots. Clemson and OSU are the only real consistent outliers now. ND is just a pretender but gets in because of TV ratings. And occasionally, someone will go undefeated in a second-tier conference and they'll need to let them in...just to prove that they really can't play with the big boys. |
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Post by davidinnaples on Jul 27, 2021 14:03:13 GMT -5
If those two schools leave, the Big 12 will be down to 8. They are already at 10.... For those of you keeping score.... 1. The Big 10 has 14 schools... 2. The Big 12 has only 10 schools... 3. The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) has 15 teams, including Syracuse in New York and Boston College in Massachusetts... 4. The Southeastern Conference (SEC) has 14 teams including Texas A&M and Missouri... I'm a stats guy and all this makes no sense to me...  |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 27, 2021 14:21:49 GMT -5
If those two schools leave, the Big 12 will be down to 8. They are already at 10.... For those of you keeping score.... 1. The Big 10 has 14 schools... 2. The Big 12 has only 10 schools... 3. The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) has 15 teams, including Syracuse in New York and Boston College in Massachusetts... 4. The Southeastern Conference (SEC) has 14 teams including Texas A&M and Missouri... I'm a stats guy and all this makes no sense to me... Thanks, David. So I guess the Big 12 is now the very little 8. In modern terms, that's not a conference.... |
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Post by linkster on Jul 27, 2021 14:29:20 GMT -5
Is it just a coincidence that Emmert talked about decentralizing the NCAA right before we her about huge P-5 movement? To me it looks like decisions have already been made.
Are we going to see a new 40 team pro-football collegiate league outside of conferences and the NCAA jurisdiction? And are all P-5 teams going to be invited in? There are several weak schools that feed off of their conference income and never seem to field a contending team.
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Post by huskymaniac on Jul 27, 2021 14:56:38 GMT -5
Sadly, yes. The college sports money machine has gone too far. Too much corruption. Too much compromising academics for athletics. They don't have this insanity in Europe. In Europe College is free. No 6 figure debt when you graduate. Believe it or not I could move to say Hungary and enroll in college at no cost to me, even though I would be a "furener". Socialism has it's good points along with it's many bad points. Just out of curiosity, I don't remember you ever taking this position (ban D1). Was the corruption in the past OK for you? It seems that you never complained about corruption until NIL came along. And from what I have read today is nothing compared to the past, before birth certificates and HS transcripts became electronic. NIL actually has had little impact on my opinion. I think the impact on corruption and athletics is hard to predict. This has been an evolving opinion for me. When I was at UConn in the late 80s I was a big supporter of the basketball program. I knew it was important to improving the UConn brand. As long as college sports exists, as it is now, you need to compete to maintain visibility. It is marketing. There was corruption then but it didn't seem to be at the same level it is now. There are more corrupt coaches and the worst ones (calipari) seem to be as bad as we have ever seen. As for the concern about academics, that is relatively new for me. At big schools, a couple hundred dunder heads is no big deal. But as schools get smaller, the impact gets bigger. At small schools, a large percentage of the students are there primarily due to athletics. They push out more deserving applicants. It even happens at D3 schools. It is a farce and it shouldn't happen. |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 27, 2021 16:10:32 GMT -5
this is interesting and not entirely implausible. Maybe not all the 2nd-tier additions are correct, but the idea of 4 super-P conferences seems likely.
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Post by knightsbridgeaz on Jul 27, 2021 20:14:39 GMT -5
In Europe College is free. No 6 figure debt when you graduate. Believe it or not I could move to say Hungary and enroll in college at no cost to me, even though I would be a "furener". Socialism has it's good points along with it's many bad points. Just out of curiosity, I don't remember you ever taking this position (ban D1). Was the corruption in the past OK for you? It seems that you never complained about corruption until NIL came along. And from what I have read today is nothing compared to the past, before birth certificates and HS transcripts became electronic. NIL actually has had little impact on my opinion. I think the impact on corruption and athletics is hard to predict. This has been an evolving opinion for me. When I was at UConn in the late 80s I was a big supporter of the basketball program. I knew it was important to improving the UConn brand. As long as college sports exists, as it is now, you need to compete to maintain visibility. It is marketing. There was corruption then but it didn't seem to be at the same level it is now. There are more corrupt coaches and the worst ones (calipari) seem to be as bad as we have ever seen. As for the concern about academics, that is relatively new for me. At big schools, a couple hundred dunder heads is no big deal. But as schools get smaller, the impact gets bigger. At small schools, a large percentage of the students are there primarily due to athletics. They push out more deserving applicants. It even happens at D3 schools. It is a farce and it shouldn't happen. Regarding the percentage of athletic students - no. Just how many athletes do you think are at a school - and how small do you think most schools are? Or perhaps more correctly - how many schools have athletes that are taking the spot of a better student? I know it happens, but most school's non-money making sports actually tend to be made up of decent students. At some schools, I've heard of players being recruited just to help the GPA. If you want to say it is a tragedy every time someone is edged out by an athlete, the case could be made. At other schools, I've heard of carrying any student as a walk-on that wants to play (assuming they are competent). But more generally, you would have to show me actual numbers to show that a "large percentage of students" are there "due to athletics". |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 18:31:45 GMT -5
E$PN meddling and wi$hing for chao$...........imagine that??
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Post by swash on Jul 29, 2021 5:06:14 GMT -5
E$PN meddling and wi$hing for chao$...........imagine that?? Anyone else cracking up over the signature? |
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Post by UConnChapette on Jul 29, 2021 6:59:18 GMT -5
E$PN meddling and wi$hing for chao$...........imagine that?? Anyone else cracking up over the signature? Yes, I am! Kind of looks like my husbands pulse rate when he is having an AFib episode and his pulse rate skyrockets over 200 bpm. The dude has one T in his name. Yet he crosses like a half dozen spikes. |
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Post by UConnChapette on Jul 29, 2021 7:00:36 GMT -5
Nick Dawson - VP of Programming and ACQUISITIONS. Let me guess what acquisitions he is responsible for?
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Post by bulkey on Jul 29, 2021 20:27:58 GMT -5
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Post by jhusky on Jul 29, 2021 22:35:46 GMT -5
And now, presumably of SEC step 2, further expansion with Clemson and Florida State. |
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Post by UConnChapette on Jul 30, 2021 6:39:15 GMT -5
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
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Post by bulkey on Jul 30, 2021 12:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by davidinnaples on Jul 30, 2021 13:36:49 GMT -5
On what map is Texas in the Southeast? As someone noted earlier, their original conference was the Southwest Conference..!! I hate this illogical conference jumping. It smacks of recusancy...  |
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Post by swash on Jul 30, 2021 15:06:38 GMT -5
On what map is Texas in the Southeast? As someone noted earlier, their original conference was the Southwest Conference..!! I hate this illogical conference jumping. It smacks of recusancy... It's just a wee bit of gerrymandering |
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Post by huskymaniac on Jul 30, 2021 15:48:41 GMT -5
NIL actually has had little impact on my opinion. I think the impact on corruption and athletics is hard to predict. This has been an evolving opinion for me. When I was at UConn in the late 80s I was a big supporter of the basketball program. I knew it was important to improving the UConn brand. As long as college sports exists, as it is now, you need to compete to maintain visibility. It is marketing. There was corruption then but it didn't seem to be at the same level it is now. There are more corrupt coaches and the worst ones (calipari) seem to be as bad as we have ever seen. As for the concern about academics, that is relatively new for me. At big schools, a couple hundred dunder heads is no big deal. But as schools get smaller, the impact gets bigger. At small schools, a large percentage of the students are there primarily due to athletics. They push out more deserving applicants. It even happens at D3 schools. It is a farce and it shouldn't happen. Regarding the percentage of athletic students - no. Just how many athletes do you think are at a school - and how small do you think most schools are? Or perhaps more correctly - how many schools have athletes that are taking the spot of a better student? I know it happens, but most school's non-money making sports actually tend to be made up of decent students. At some schools, I've heard of players being recruited just to help the GPA. If you want to say it is a tragedy every time someone is edged out by an athlete, the case could be made. At other schools, I've heard of carrying any student as a walk-on that wants to play (assuming they are competent). But more generally, you would have to show me actual numbers to show that a "large percentage of students" are there "due to athletics". The exact numbers are hard to come by. But take a look at the Ivies to start. Football plus baseball, softball, soccer, track, cross country, swimming, crew, lacrosse, field hockey, regular hockey and so on. Divide that by 4 and compare to the size of the incoming class. The percentage is surprisingly high. The biggest issue, academically, are at small, highly competitive schools. And D3 is similar in this regard. Williams, Amherst, Cal Tech, MIT, Carnegie Mellon. You get the picture. I know, personally, many kids who got into Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Yale, Cal Tech, MIT and Williams over more deserving students simply because they were recruited athletes. My kids were academically at this level, played sports and were friends with these kids. The most egregious case was a kid that was not even top 10% in his rural high school and got into Williams. He was a mediocre student and a complete dunderhead. He was hated by his teammates. He got in over a kid that was valedictorian, student council president and got a 1570 on his SAT. He played three sports but wasn't at the level of being recruited. He was loved by his teammates and coaches because he was supportive and unselfish. It is worse than you can imagine. |
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Post by jhusky on Jul 31, 2021 13:23:22 GMT -5
On what map is Texas in the Southeast? As someone noted earlier, their original conference was the Southwest Conference..!! I hate this illogical conference jumping. It smacks of recusancy... It's just a wee bit of gerrymandering Gerrymandering in the pursuit of $$$. I've read elsewhere that the whole realignment is modeled on the NFL big-revenue model. |
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