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Post by bulkey on Jul 21, 2021 23:29:32 GMT -5
Everyone's probably seen this by now, but thought it deserves a thread. If this is true, the P5 effectively becomes the P4. SEC gets 2 fine WCBB programs, especially TX. And all the SEC schools just get richer.
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Post by knightsbridgeaz on Jul 21, 2021 23:37:41 GMT -5
I am doubtful it will happen. Apparently Texas A&M is dead set against it (duh) and may have the votes to back it up.
I sometimes reference the animus between Arizona and Arizona State. It is not remotely comparative to what the Longhorns (aka the Shorthorns to A&M fans) think of each other. I believe one of the other of them disses the other specifically in their fight song.
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Post by davidinnaples on Jul 22, 2021 8:55:58 GMT -5
How many Aggies does it take to eat roadkill? Three, one to eat and two to look out for cars...  |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 22, 2021 10:42:36 GMT -5
Someone on the Tenn board made an interesting point. That if TX and OK join the SEC, maybe Tenn should try to move to the ACC. It feels like a good geographical fit for them, and they'd be more competitive there.
And someone else suggested Vandy to the Big East. That would be awesome for WCBB, but I can't imagine Vandy leaving the best football conference: not that they're any good, but it is a big tradition down there.
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Post by grrrrr on Jul 22, 2021 12:11:44 GMT -5
Where we are is looking better every day, who wants to go thru all that crap? The Big 12 leftovers have to be just horrified, gobsmacked (always wanted to use that word).They are roadkill. It WILL be the power 4 if it happens. Poor West Virginia, they thought they got saved, maybe no so much. Louisville was almost the school the Big 12 picked instead. They must feel like someone who got bumped from a doomed flight. ACC is not looking so bad to them right now I'm thinking. If the SEC wants they could make a play to make it the Power 1. Just invite a few schools from each of the other power leagues plus Notre Dame. With all the money at stake could any individual school or group of schools say no? If you say no you will be left behind forever. 8 four team divisions just like the NFL, more money than the US Mint.
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Post by jhusky on Jul 22, 2021 13:20:25 GMT -5
Someone on the Tenn board made an interesting point. That if TX and OK join the SEC, maybe Tenn should try to move to the ACC. It feels like a good geographical fit for them, and they'd be more competitive there. And someone else suggested Vandy to the Big East. That would be awesome for WCBB, but I can't imagine Vandy leaving the best football conference: not that they're any good, but it is a big tradition down there.Tenn would not give up the football income to join the ACC. |
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Post by davidinnaples on Jul 22, 2021 14:49:33 GMT -5
For those of you keeping score.... 1. The Big 10 has 14 schools... 2. The Big 12 has only 10 schools... 3. The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) has 15 teams, including Syracuse in New York and Boston College in Massachusetts... 4. The Southeastern Conference (SEC) has 14 teams including Texas A&M and Missouri... I'm a stats guy and all this makes no sense to me...  |
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Post by UConnChapette on Jul 22, 2021 15:08:28 GMT -5
For those of you keeping score.... 1. The Big 10 has 14 schools... 2. The Big 12 has only 10 schools... 3. The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) has 15 teams, including Syracuse in New York and Boston College in Massachusetts... 4. The Southeastern Conference (SEC) has 14 teams including Texas A&M and Missouri... I'm a stats guy and all this makes no sense to me... Well, at least Boston is on the Atlantic Coast. Syracuse seems to be too far inland to be considered a "coastal" school. And Texas and Missouri were on the side of the Confederates in the Civil War. So at least in that sense they fit the "South" portion of Southeast. Too much of a stretch? |
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Post by davidinnaples on Jul 22, 2021 15:14:26 GMT -5
For those of you keeping score.... 1. The Big 10 has 14 schools... 2. The Big 12 has only 10 schools... 3. The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) has 15 teams, including Syracuse in New York and Boston College in Massachusetts... 4. The Southeastern Conference (SEC) has 14 teams including Texas A&M and Missouri... I'm a stats guy and all this makes no sense to me... Well, at least Boston is on the Atlantic Coast. Syracuse seems to be too far inland to be considered a "coastal" school. And Texas and Missouri were on the side of the Confederates in the Civil War. So at least in that sense they fit the "South" portion of Southeast. Too much of a stretch? You mean the War of Northern Aggression...?  |
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Post by linkster on Jul 23, 2021 12:19:48 GMT -5
For those of you keeping score.... 1. The Big 10 has 14 schools... 2. The Big 12 has only 10 schools... 3. The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) has 15 teams, including Syracuse in New York and Boston College in Massachusetts... 4. The Southeastern Conference (SEC) has 14 teams including Texas A&M and Missouri... I'm a stats guy and all this makes no sense to me... Well, at least Boston is on the Atlantic Coast. Syracuse seems to be too far inland to be considered a "coastal" school. And Texas and Missouri were on the side of the Confederates in the Civil War. So at least in that sense they fit the "South" portion of Southeast.Too much of a stretch? To add to the confusion, Texas, Okl (& Ark) used to be in the Southwest conference. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 17:21:19 GMT -5
More murmurs of BIG12 Schools looking for greener pastures.............
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Post by pinotbear on Jul 23, 2021 19:51:33 GMT -5
For those of you keeping score.... 1. The Big 10 has 14 schools... 2. The Big 12 has only 10 schools... 3. The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) has 15 teams, including Syracuse in New York and Boston College in Massachusetts... 4. The Southeastern Conference (SEC) has 14 teams including Texas A&M and Missouri... I'm a stats guy and all this makes no sense to me... It may be a reach, but, in the shuffling of the power Conferences, should the ACC or Big 10 desire a broader base, UConn may play a role....acknowledging, of course, that football is the alpha sport, and UConn's Achilles heel. |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 23, 2021 20:37:30 GMT -5
For those of you keeping score.... 1. The Big 10 has 14 schools... 2. The Big 12 has only 10 schools... 3. The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) has 15 teams, including Syracuse in New York and Boston College in Massachusetts... 4. The Southeastern Conference (SEC) has 14 teams including Texas A&M and Missouri... I'm a stats guy and all this makes no sense to me... It may be a reach, but, in the shuffling of the power Conferences, should the ACC or Big 10 desire a broader base, UConn may play a role....acknowledging, of course, that football is the alpha sport, and UConn's Achilles heel. Joining the B1G has proved very unpopular at Rutgers. I'm sure they'd love having UConn replace them as the football doormat of the league. |
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Post by knightsbridgeaz on Jul 23, 2021 23:20:40 GMT -5
It may be a reach, but, in the shuffling of the power Conferences, should the ACC or Big 10 desire a broader base, UConn may play a role....acknowledging, of course, that football is the alpha sport, and UConn's Achilles heel. Joining the B1G has proved very unpopular at Rutgers. I'm sure they'd love having UConn replace them as the football doormat of the league. There are (or were) a group of professors at Rutgers who have long proclaimed that Rutgers should not be competing in Div I athletics. Other than them, I don't know of anyone who thinks joining the B1G isn't a good thing. In fact, Rutgers has continued to do well in the few sports that they have that tendency (women's soccer is the most obvious, but there are others), vastly improved in wrestling and men's basketball, and had improved recruiting (if not improved success) in Women's Basketball. There are downers on the football side, but they are not oblivious to the benefits of the B1G. With Greg Schiano back in charge, I suspect things will look up, depending on the NIL fallout. I'm not a huge Greg fan, but I recognize he can coach and figure that RU had a huge setback when he left and they promoted Kyle Flood (probably the only option) then to hire Chris Ash who came in determined to remove all trace of Greg - well, we know how that went. I don't expect Rutgers to ever be a great football program - but competitive on a more consistent basis, yes. |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 24, 2021 8:23:47 GMT -5
Joining the B1G has proved very unpopular at Rutgers. I'm sure they'd love having UConn replace them as the football doormat of the league. There are (or were) a group of professors at Rutgers who have long proclaimed that Rutgers should not be competing in Div I athletics. Other than them, I don't know of anyone who thinks joining the B1G isn't a good thing. In fact, Rutgers has continued to do well in the few sports that they have that tendency (women's soccer is the most obvious, but there are others), vastly improved in wrestling and men's basketball, and had improved recruiting (if not improved success) in Women's Basketball. There are downers on the football side, but they are not oblivious to the benefits of the B1G. With Greg Schiano back in charge, I suspect things will look up, depending on the NIL fallout. I'm not a huge Greg fan, but I recognize he can coach and figure that RU had a huge setback when he left and they promoted Kyle Flood (probably the only option) then to hire Chris Ash who came in determined to remove all trace of Greg - well, we know how that went. I don't expect Rutgers to ever be a great football program - but competitive on a more consistent basis, yes. Wait! There's another reality outside of a group of disgruntled professors? Next you'll try to tell me the world's not flat.  |
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Post by huskymaniac on Jul 24, 2021 10:52:29 GMT -5
It isn't just disgruntled professors. I think D1 sports should be banned as well. College is not supposed to be a minor league for sports. At many P5 schools, the concept of "student"-athlete is a total farce. Even at smaller schools many, more deserving, applicants get pushed out in favor of athletes. And, at those schools, athletes make up a big percentage of their student body.
If you have no shot at going pro but you still want to play your sport, play a club sport. Create minor leagues for sports that don't already have them or, for the Olympic sports, let the Olympic development program support them.
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Post by doggydaddy on Jul 24, 2021 12:02:41 GMT -5
It isn't just disgruntled professors. I think D1 sports should be banned as well. College is not supposed to be a minor league for sports. At many P5 schools, the concept of "student"-athlete is a total farce. Even at smaller schools many, more deserving, applicants get pushed out in favor of athletes. And, at those schools, athletes make up a big percentage of their student body. If you have no shot at going pro but you still want to play your sport, play a club sport. Create minor leagues for sports that don't already have them or, for the Olympic sports, let the Olympic development program support them. So, Div I WCBB should be banned? |
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Post by chicagogg on Jul 24, 2021 13:19:22 GMT -5
It isn't just disgruntled professors. I think D1 sports should be banned as well. College is not supposed to be a minor league for sports. At many P5 schools, the concept of "student"-athlete is a total farce. Even at smaller schools many, more deserving, applicants get pushed out in favor of athletes. And, at those schools, athletes make up a big percentage of their student body. If you have no shot at going pro but you still want to play your sport, play a club sport. Create minor leagues for sports that don't already have them or, for the Olympic sports, let the Olympic development program support them. So, Div I WCBB should be banned? don't encourage HM, DD....he feeds on it. |
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Post by grrrrr on Jul 24, 2021 14:44:39 GMT -5
Seems like every conference has to think about expansion now that the SEC is If the AAC get's raided by whomever, maybe they will reconsider their stance against letting UCONN play football as an Associate Member. The Athletic Department has done an amazing job with football scheduling and I think Randy is on the right track getting the program back on it's feet. But, under no circumstances should UCONN EVER consider leaving the Big East again. We are a basketball school and while we want all sports to be successful and maximize their potential, we can never again again risk the long term health of the 2 big money makers. We got caught standing in the last round of expansion musical chair, never again. If we have to stay an Indy in Football so be it, it looks to me like it will work out ok. Obviously playing for some sort of conference championship and bowl bid would be ideal but not at the expense of hoops.
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Post by bulkey on Jul 24, 2021 17:16:33 GMT -5
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Post by huskymaniac on Jul 26, 2021 2:15:59 GMT -5
It isn't just disgruntled professors. I think D1 sports should be banned as well. College is not supposed to be a minor league for sports. At many P5 schools, the concept of "student"-athlete is a total farce. Even at smaller schools many, more deserving, applicants get pushed out in favor of athletes. And, at those schools, athletes make up a big percentage of their student body. If you have no shot at going pro but you still want to play your sport, play a club sport. Create minor leagues for sports that don't already have them or, for the Olympic sports, let the Olympic development program support them. So, Div I WCBB should be banned? Sadly, yes. The college sports money machine has gone too far. Too much corruption. Too much compromising academics for athletics. They don't have this insanity in Europe. |
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Post by huskymaniac on Jul 26, 2021 2:19:40 GMT -5
So, Div I WCBB should be banned? don't encourage HM, DD....he feeds on it. I prefer chick-fil-a. |
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Post by linkster on Jul 26, 2021 16:59:12 GMT -5
So, Div I WCBB should be banned? Sadly, yes. The college sports money machine has gone too far. Too much corruption. Too much compromising academics for athletics. They don't have this insanity in Europe. In Europe College is free. No 6 figure debt when you graduate. Believe it or not I could move to say Hungary and enroll in college at no cost to me, even though I would be a "furener". Socialism has it's good points along with it's many bad points. Just out of curiosity, I don't remember you ever taking this position (ban D1). Was the corruption in the past OK for you? It seems that you never complained about corruption until NIL came along. And from what I have read today is nothing compared to the past, before birth certificates and HS transcripts became electronic. |
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