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Post by davidinnaples on Mar 8, 2021 9:39:25 GMT -5
Some UConn fans are up in arms because Christyn was in the Villanova game at the end and shooting the ball. Imagine that..! She had the audacity to put herself into the game and then shoot the ball. On a serious note, consider the final stats at the end of the game:
1. Geno determines who is on the court at the end of every game. Nika is hurt, Paige is tired, Anna is on a minute limit, Evina is banged up and Autumn is reportedly injured. Who is left to play with all the freshman. That would be Christyn. 2. In the last 6 minutes of the game, the players on the court not named Christyn, went 0-4 shooting, committed 3 fouls and turned over the ball 2 times. 3. In those last minutes Anna shot twice and was fouled twice. Aubrey shot and missed. Aaliyah shot twice and missed. Mir shot once and missed. 4. The "shake & bake" shot CW made with 1:22 to play, was made with 1 second on the shot clock. 5. Christyn had 9 passes in those final minutes. The players on the court either missed the shot or passed the ball.
The term "chucker" is slang for a ball hogging, high volume shooter. Christyn is a lot of things, "chucker" is not one of them.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Mar 8, 2021 9:46:47 GMT -5
"UConn fans" hardly.
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Post by semper on Mar 8, 2021 9:50:08 GMT -5
Just glad they are not over here. We are blessed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 9:50:51 GMT -5
Some UConn fans are up in arms because Christyn was in the Villanova game at the end and shooting the ball. Imagine that..! She had the audacity to put herself into the game and then shoot the ball. On a serious note, consider the final stats at the end of the game: 1. Geno determines who is on the court at the end of every game. Nika is hurt, Paige is tired, Anna is on a minute limit and Autumn is reportedly injured. Who is left to play with all the freshman. That would be Christyn. 2. In the last 6 minutes of the game, the players on the court, not named Christyn, went 0-4 shooting, committed 3 fouls and turned over the ball 2 times. 3. In those last minutes Anna shot twice and was fouled twice. Aubrey shot and missed. Aaliyah shot twice and missed. Mir shot once and missed. 4. The "shake & bake" shot CW made with 1:22 to play, was made with 1 second on the shot clock. 5. Christyn had 5 passes in those final minutes. The players on the court either shot or passed the ball back. The term "chucker" is slang for a ball hogging, high volume shooter. Christyn is a lot of things, "chucker" is not one of them. Those very same complainers probably didn't notice that Christyn shut down Villanova's best player Maddy Segrist on defense?? Christyn played a great game period!!!!!!! GENO - the chucker's coach - even said so during his post game comments!! He put praise on her like he did a few years ago on Gabby Williams and Napheesa Collier!!
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Post by phil on Mar 8, 2021 10:05:09 GMT -5
Some UConn fans are up in arms because Christyn was in the Villanova game at the end and shooting the ball. Imagine that..! She had the audacity to put herself into the game and then shoot the ball. On a serious note, consider the final stats at the end of the game: 1. Geno determines who is on the court at the end of every game. Nika is hurt, Paige is tired, Anna is on a minute limit and Autumn is reportedly injured. Who is left to play with all the freshman. That would be Christyn. 2. In the last 6 minutes of the game, the players on the court, not named Christyn, went 0-4 shooting, committed 3 fouls and turned over the ball 2 times. 3. In those last minutes Anna shot twice and was fouled twice. Aubrey shot and missed. Aaliyah shot twice and missed. Mir shot once and missed. 4. The "shake & bake" shot CW made with 1:22 to play, was made with 1 second on the shot clock. 5. Christyn had 9 passes in those final minutes. The players on the court either missed the shot or passed the ball. The term "chucker" is slang for a ball hogging, high volume shooter. Christyn is a lot of things, "chucker" is not one of them. Nicely done.
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Post by nyhuskyfan on Mar 8, 2021 10:11:43 GMT -5
I am going to go against the grain a tiny bit here. There was a possession late when she drove, shot and missed, got the rebound and shot it from three. At that time in the game that was a selfish play. At that time of the game, you look to get your teammates who play less the ball. Yes, she is a chucker in that she is always looking for hers first and if she gets jammed up then she finds a teammate. BTW - she's 6th on the team in assists per game and rebounds per game.
I'm not saying her high volume shooting isn't necessary. It's just that her mentality happens to align perfectly with what the team needs this season.
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Post by pinotbear on Mar 8, 2021 10:27:01 GMT -5
somebody say chukar?
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Post by davidinnaples on Mar 8, 2021 10:37:00 GMT -5
I am going to go against the grain a tiny bit here. There was a possession late when she drove, shot and missed, got the rebound and shot it from three. At that time in the game that was a selfish play. At that time of the game, you look to get your teammates who play less the ball. Yes, she is a chucker in that she is always looking for hers first and if she gets jammed up then she finds a teammate. BTW - she's 6th on the team in assists per game and rebounds per game. I'm not saying her high volume shooting isn't necessary. It's just that her mentality happens to align perfectly with what the team needs this season. We disagree, but that is ok. Your opinion is just as valid as mine. I would point out that in the last 6 minutes, Christyn made 9 passes. She passed to Aaliyah who missed a shot. She passed to Anna who was fouled on the shot. She passed to Mir who drove and missed the shot. Other than Christyn, only Anna scored at the end of the game. If everyone was hitting their shots, her shooting would have been exactly what you say. But they missed...
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Post by vtcwbuff on Mar 8, 2021 11:25:40 GMT -5
Reminds me of that ball hog chick from a few years back.
Actually, Williams has the fewest assists of the 4 guards that see playing time. She also has fewer than Nelson-Ododa. However, her role is shooting guard and I don't think she's expected to be a play maker. I think in her case chucker is not a bad thing. Especially if they keep going in the basket as they have recently.
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Post by UConnChapette on Mar 8, 2021 11:28:37 GMT -5
Early in the year we would have seen all the starters on the bench. Geno often leaves one of the starters in toward the end of the game at this time of year. And as noted earlier, some of the options were not readily available. I think some of these "fans" don't understand that if you are open and have a good shot you take it. Geno would be furious if Christyn didn't take a good shot in order to pass it to Piath, or Saylor, or Mir who may not have been in position for a good shot simply so some fans won't complain about Christyn being a chuker.
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Post by swash on Mar 8, 2021 11:52:57 GMT -5
I am going to go against the grain a tiny bit here. There was a possession late when she drove, shot and missed, got the rebound and shot it from three. At that time in the game that was a selfish play. At that time of the game, you look to get your teammates who play less the ball. Yes, she is a chucker in that she is always looking for hers first and if she gets jammed up then she finds a teammate. BTW - she's 6th on the team in assists per game and rebounds per game. I'm not saying her high volume shooting isn't necessary. It's just that her mentality happens to align perfectly with what the team needs this season. There is a highlight reel from this game specific to Christyn on YouTube. I think nyhuskyfan is conflating two different plays. On one, she shoots, gets her own rebound and drives back underneath for a reverse layup. That looks to me like the best play available in that circumstance. There is also a late-game three with 18 seconds on the shot clock. It is fair to question that one. Even if we charge her for both as misdemeanors against a beaten foe or her short-minutes team-mates, those two plays don't make her a chucker - to borrow the term from davidinnaples. If you've followed Christyn and her various interviews throughout the season, you will note that the early term was "Leader" and now we keep hearing the term "aggressive" in various forms. The coaching staff has been pushing her to be a finisher, and to get inside of the defensive perimeter and score or get fouled. Those two feel intimately related to me. Part of her troubles last season and early in this one (exaggerated and/or over-lamented, though they were) seemed to be tied to indecision. Christyn's improvement has aligned nicely with her being the one to convert an assist for someone else, rather than to give one to another player. For a while there, Liv and Paige were the only ones taking shots (intentional over-statement). But both of them are balanced in their passing and scoring skill levels. Olivia from 6'5" and Paige from ... the stratosphere. Williams, on the other hand, is a much better scorer than passer. So they told her to focus on her strengths and be "aggressive". Translation: Plan to convert the dimes from our top-shelf passers: Paige, Nika, Evina, Liv, Anna, rather than look for "the extra pass". Since that transition, she's playing better in all phases of the game. Her turnovers are way down. Her points are up, but critically so is her efficiency. The nuances are there, though. It isn't "touch it" = "shoot it unless you can't" (Ogunbawale's rule). More like take every open shot and take some risks on the drive ... so what if you get blocked, you'll get fouled enough times to make it worth the risk. This is a really good place for CW. It also has significantly increased ONO's assists, making her even more dangerous for opponents' defenses. In a completely different body and playing style, Aubrey is doing the same. Aaliyah maybe didn't need to be told, but her instructions are probably similar. With those three looking to get shots off, Paige gets a little less hammering to shoot it. Others like Evina and Nika gain confidence knowing that we're putting up points, so there's less pressure if I miss. Rebounders know to get into position, because a shot is coming... and the game flows.
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Post by meyers7 on Mar 8, 2021 12:11:22 GMT -5
Reminds me of that ball hog chick from a few years back.
Actually, Williams has the fewest assists of the 4 guards that see playing time. She also has fewer than Nelson-Ododa. However, her role is shooting guard and I don't think she's expected to be a play maker. I think in her case chucker is not a bad thing. Especially if they keep going in the basket as they have recently.
Ah yes, the Ball Hog Chick
Ode to the Ball Hog Chick (JS)
UConn's got a young guard And they call that girl DT. And you never find it hard To see she's friendly as can be.
She pats the ref right on the butt And tousles coach's hair. She always makes you bust a gut And never shows a care.
But opponents better watch out Cause this gal's got mucho game. She's gonna make your coach pout, Make you sorry that you came.
You can try your X's and your O's She's gonna make you pay. Give you headaches, give you woes, Make you wish that it were May.
No matter what you've learned, And no matter what your schtick You'll still get good and burned By that grinning Ballhog Chick.
If your manning gives you trouble Then try your box and one. If your zoning lies in rubble And your double teams are done
Then it hasn't been your day Be you Muffet, be you Pat. Just shake ol' Geno's hand and say "Nice game, you little brat."
"Cause no matter what we boasted We just couldn't make it click. We were lit up, we were toasted By that awesome Ballhog Chick."
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Post by meyers7 on Mar 8, 2021 12:13:17 GMT -5
Geno in his post game remarks stated that Williams is a scorer, and she needs to get/maintain her scorer mentality. If she does, UCONN has a good chance at a title.
So I agree with Geno, let her score (and don't complain about it when she does).
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Post by bulkey on Mar 8, 2021 12:13:28 GMT -5
thanks, meyers. I'd never seen that!
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Post by bulkey on Mar 8, 2021 12:14:36 GMT -5
I am going to go against the grain a tiny bit here. There was a possession late when she drove, shot and missed, got the rebound and shot it from three. At that time in the game that was a selfish play. At that time of the game, you look to get your teammates who play less the ball. Yes, she is a chucker in that she is always looking for hers first and if she gets jammed up then she finds a teammate. BTW - she's 6th on the team in assists per game and rebounds per game. I'm not saying her high volume shooting isn't necessary. It's just that her mentality happens to align perfectly with what the team needs this season. There is a highlight reel from this game specific to Christyn on YouTube. I think nyhuskyfan is conflating two different plays. On one, she shoots, gets her own rebound and drives back underneath for a reverse layup. That looks to me like the best play available in that circumstance. There is also a late-game three with 18 seconds on the shot clock. It is fair to question that one. Even if we charge her for both as misdemeanors against a beaten foe or her short-minutes team-mates, those two plays don't make her a chucker - to borrow the term from davidinnaples . If you've followed Christyn and her various interviews throughout the season, you will note that the early term was "Leader" and now we keep hearing the term "aggressive" in various forms. The coaching staff has been pushing her to be a finisher, and to get inside of the defensive perimeter and score or get fouled. Those two feel intimately related to me. Part of her troubles last season and early in this one (exaggerated and/or over-lamented, though they were) seemed to be tied to indecision. Christyn's improvement has aligned nicely with her being the one to convert an assist for someone else, rather than to give one to another player. For a while there, Liv and Paige were the only ones taking shots (intentional over-statement). But both of them are balanced in their passing and scoring skill levels. Olivia from 6'5" and Paige from ... the stratosphere. Williams, on the other hand, is a much better scorer than passer. So they told her to focus on her strengths and be "aggressive". Translation: Plan to convert the dimes from our top-shelf passers: Paige, Nika, Evina, Liv, Anna, rather than look for "the extra pass". Since that transition, she's playing better in all phases of the game. Her turnovers are way down. Her points are up, but critically so is her efficiency. The nuances are there, though. It isn't "touch it" = "shoot it unless you can't" (Ogunbawale's rule). More like take every open shot and take some risks on the drive ... so what if you get blocked, you'll get fouled enough times to make it worth the risk. This is a really good place for CW. It also has significantly increased ONO's assists, making her even more dangerous for opponents' defenses. In a completely different body and playing style, Aubrey is doing the same. Aaliyah maybe didn't need to be told, but her instructions are probably similar. With those three looking to get shots off, Paige gets a little less hammering to shoot it. Others like Evina and Nika gain confidence knowing that we're putting up points, so there's less pressure if I miss. Rebounders know to get into position, because a shot is coming... and the game flows. great post, swash!
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Post by chicagogg on Mar 8, 2021 12:26:32 GMT -5
Funny that Meyers brings up the "Ball hog chick"...great ditty BTW... I've noticed Paige works the refs just like DT did. Little side chats, elbow bumps, even an arm around the shoulder from time to time. It's like Baby Dee! Except that Dee could knock her into next week due to the difference in their physiques.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 8, 2021 12:42:04 GMT -5
Funny that Meyers brings up the "Ball hog chick"...great ditty BTW... I've noticed Paige works the refs just like DT did. Little side chats, elbow bumps, even an arm around the shoulder from time to time. It's like Baby Dee! Except that Dee could knock her into next week due to the difference in their physiques. But Paige would keep getting up and up and up and up. She is the Energizer Bunny.
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Post by phil on Mar 8, 2021 13:17:25 GMT -5
thanks, meyers. I'd never seen that! For context, Diana was anything but a ball hog, but some fan of another school made reference to the ballhog chick, and it hit the funnybone in many UConn fans mainly because it was so far from being true. A serious UConn fan whose name escapes me at the moment decided to write the code to the ball hog chick. There's even music somewhere.
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Post by linkster on Mar 8, 2021 17:45:52 GMT -5
I am going to go against the grain a tiny bit here. There was a possession late when she drove, shot and missed, got the rebound and shot it from three. At that time in the game that was a selfish play. At that time of the game, you look to get your teammates who play less the ball. Yes, she is a chucker in that she is always looking for hers first and if she gets jammed up then she finds a teammate. BTW - she's 6th on the team in assists per game and rebounds per game. I'm not saying her high volume shooting isn't necessary. It's just that her mentality happens to align perfectly with what the team needs this season. I remember that play. When it happened my first thought was like yours but then it hit me that that game was her best as far as shooting. She couldn't miss and that feeling doesn't come very often so use it while you have it. I've experienced that playing golf. My knees are bad and normally 18 holes was all I wanted but there were a few days that I was driving it long and straight or putting out of my mind and I could play till dark. For that reason I forgave Williams for her moment of "selfishness".
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Post by pinotbear on Mar 8, 2021 18:03:44 GMT -5
thanks, meyers. I'd never seen that! I always liked the follow-up to "Ball-hog Chick", about Pat at Shady Lane, but, I'll be damned if I can find it...
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Post by TheBlackKnight on Mar 8, 2021 18:07:21 GMT -5
Would this perhaps be the very same fans who were so vocal when Miss Williams was passing up open shots, hesitating to shoot and not making shots she did take? Such fickle blokes.
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Post by UConnChapette on Mar 8, 2021 18:20:07 GMT -5
thanks, meyers. I'd never seen that! For context, Diana was anything but a ball hog, but some fan of another school made reference to the ballhog chick, and it hit the funnybone in many UConn fans mainly because it was so far from being true. A serious UConn fan whose name escapes me at the moment decided to write the code to the ball hog chick. There's even music somewhere. A little like Semeka "Boo" Randall. Sometimes something happens and it just sticks.
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Post by doggydaddy on Mar 8, 2021 18:52:48 GMT -5
thanks, meyers. I'd never seen that! For context, Diana was anything but a ball hog, but some fan of another school made reference to the ballhog chick, and it hit the funnybone in many UConn fans mainly because it was so far from being true. A serious UConn fan whose name escapes me at the moment decided to write the code to the ball hog chick. There's even music somewhere. It was JS, John Strother. A former friend and another Admin on TOB. He had every chance to defend my lifetime banning and didn't. Sad. Lost all respect for him when he bowed at Nan's knee.
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Post by meyers7 on Mar 10, 2021 10:19:36 GMT -5
thanks, meyers. I'd never seen that! I always liked the follow-up to "Ball-hog Chick", about Pat at Shady Lane, but, I'll be damned if I can find it... Here's Return Of The Ball-Hog Chick
THE RETURN OF THE BALLHOG CHICK
On the grounds of Shady Acres where a coach can take the cure when her nerves have turned to shakers and can no more strain endure
our Miss Pat strolled in the garden, for it was her discharge day. A reporter begged her pardon - Would some questions be okay?
“But of course” Miss Pat said sweetly. “I’m all well now, you can see, and recovered most completely as my doctors all agree."
“Will you now return to coaching?” asked the scribe in high suspense. “With the playoffs now approaching things might get a little tense.”
And she answered back serenely “Games won’t phase me in the least. I can handle stress routinely which is why I’m now released.”
Next he paused, a little wary, for he knew this next was key. “So I guess it won’t be scary when you face Diana T?”
Then her eyes began to glitter, and she smiled a frozen smile, while she watched a furry critter gather acorns in a pile.
As it scurried up a hick’ry our Miss Pat said “Pardon me.” And as dock went after dick’ry then she promptly climbed the tree.
And she sat there feet a-swinging while she looked him in the eye and with hands all clenched and wringing then she gave him her reply.
“Son, no matter how you swagger, and no matter what your schtick, it can’t save you from the dagger of that awful Ballhog Chick
“At the Civic Center showdown she just blew my team away. Made a 60 footer go down for a halftime lead of trey.
“Tied it up in regulation. Nailed us good in overtime. And to add to our frustration sparked another Boneyard rhyme.
“So just how will you all play it in the histories to come? I’m afraid that you’ll portray it so I’m left the smallest crumb.
“Oh yes, I’ll be remembered and they’ll carve it on my plaque that ‘She saw her teams dismembered by the leader of the pack.’
“And despite my many titles then the only thing I’ll get is a chance to give recitals on how cold she made me sweat
“and a bit part in the story when they finally make the flick of the legend and the glory of the famous Ballhog Chick
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Post by meyers7 on Mar 10, 2021 10:20:26 GMT -5
And then the Legend
THE LEGEND OF THE BALLHOG CHICK
by JS
"I can't ask advice from Geno," Sherri Coale was heard to say, "how to stop that kid from Chino in the title game today.
"I've been trying to remember how she looked from where I sat. Haven't played them since December so I thought I'd go ask Pat."
And Miss Pat was fine and cheerful 'til the dreaded name arose. Then she looked a little fearful, and she stared down at her toes.
Soon her mouth began to quiver and her eye displayed a tic, as she whispered with a shiver, "It's that friggin' Ballhog Chick!"
"When we played in Thompson-Boling she just shot our lights right out. Punched our stanchion, no controlling how it turned into a rout.
"Then with Sue she fairly killed us in a semifinal stomp when her threes and passes drilled us, and it turned into a romp.
"So no matter how you swagger, and no matter what your schtick, it can't save you from the dagger of that awful Ballhog Chick"
Sherri said "She can't defeat us! We can stifle her, just wait. We won't ever let her beat us, even though they say she's great.
"If we lose I'll have to blame it on that dear old RobertN who in trying hard to flame it coined her name away back when."
Then Miss Pat said "Best of luck when Oklahoma takes the floor. Just remember it'll suck when you must tell the media corps:
"Oh no matter what we boasted, we just couldn't make it click. We got lit up, we got toasted by that doggoned Ballhog Chick."
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