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Post by doggydaddy on Jan 24, 2021 8:37:35 GMT -5
The idiots on Volnation are always looking for ways to trash Geno and now it’s that he cares more about winning than the health of his players. I would love some great responses to this post by a Vol fan that I can reply with.
Join right in. Something to do on a quiet Sunday.
(1) He left her out there initially after she rolled her ankle to hobble around in obvious pain. She could barely limp down the floor, wincing all the way. It was apparent that she was injured and needed to be checked out, but he didn't take her out immediately despite the obvious. As for wanting to go back in, Need Orange actually made the argument that "In the last minutes of a game the adrenalin is so high you would go back in with a minor bone break." That's admirable for the competitiveness of the player, but that's why others have to make the call. Sure, both his player and the trainer said she was good to go. But there could have been something more serious going on that could have been aggravated by going back out.
(2) He had made a point of saying that the Tennessee game was "no big deal." If that were truly the case, and if he has recruited as well as his admirers give him credit for doing, then surely he has a backup PG who can play the last minute of the game, especially with his team having the lead and the ball. Does he feel that his bench players are so weak that they can't replace a freshman player who was 2-13 at that point? That's pathetic.
No one here (at least, not the sane ones) wants to see opposing players injured, especially when our ire is directed toward their jerk of a coach (all Tara Vanderveer got from us for breaking Pat's record were hearty congratulations). We don't even want misfortune in the way of bad health to befall the coach. But he continues to find ways to belittle Tennessee...the program that, even by his own admission, gave him the opportunity to gain early exposure when they were becoming contenders. And he complained about Tennessee having a "toxic atmosphere," in part due to his allegations that Tennessee continued to play EW when she was injured.
The sarcastic comments are just a way of giving him a dose of his own medicine. Sauce for the goose.
However, it by some chance the injury did turn out to be more serious than thought, would you still have the same attitude toward putting her back in? That would be a pretty damning look for a coach, especially since she had already played 37 minutes.
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Post by UConnChapette on Jan 24, 2021 10:24:15 GMT -5
Why is what Geno did with Paige any different than any other player who rolls their ankle on any other team in any other game? We see it all the time...the player goes out, get's taped up and comes back in to play. Happens all the time. Seems the only difference here is 1) it was UConn; 2) Paige came back in and hit that huge three that led to --> 3) Tennessee lost; 4) the statements from Geno that implied Tennessee continued to play Evina when she was injured; and 5) blind hatred for any and all things Geno.
You have to look beyond that one game that they have put under the microscope and look at the big picture. Paige did not play yesterday. Yes, it was Georgetown but she did not play. I am sure she wanted to play. She is a competitor. Instead, she will be evaluated day to day and Geno has made no declaration that she will play against Arkansas other than if she is good to go, she will play. We know from player management in the past that if he and the trainer/medical staff feel that playing will risk further injury or delay her full recovery she will not play. Period.
How many games did Evina sit out for Tennessee with her knee issues? I don't know the answer to that, but my guess is none. Tennessee was a dumpster fire during the years Evina played there. They needed every one on their key players to play to have a chance to win in the vast majority of their games in those years. Good teams, bad teams. She played. Sit the #2 ranked player in her class so that she didn't aggravate an existing injury? Didn't happen. Heck, they couldn't manage to win games they should have easily won WITH her on the floor. Can you imagine how bad their record would have been without her playing? Injury or not, Evina played on in pain and did not get the treatment she needed. A rolled ankle is a far cry from a knee injury that required not one but two surgeries to repair.
Give me a break. Sour grapes and blind hatred for Geno - that is all that is about.
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Post by swash on Jan 24, 2021 10:29:57 GMT -5
The idiots on Volnation are always looking for ways to trash Geno and now it’s that he cares more about winning than the health of his players. I would love some great responses to this post by a Vol fan that I can reply with. Join right in. Something to do on a quiet Sunday. (1) He left her out there initially after she rolled her ankle to hobble around in obvious pain. She could barely limp down the floor, wincing all the way. It was apparent that she was injured and needed to be checked out, but he didn't take her out immediately despite the obvious. As for wanting to go back in, Need Orange actually made the argument that "In the last minutes of a game the adrenalin is so high you would go back in with a minor bone break." That's admirable for the competitiveness of the player, but that's why others have to make the call. Sure, both his player and the trainer said she was good to go. But there could have been something more serious going on that could have been aggravated by going back out. (2) He had made a point of saying that the Tennessee game was "no big deal." If that were truly the case, and if he has recruited as well as his admirers give him credit for doing, then surely he has a backup PG who can play the last minute of the game, especially with his team having the lead and the ball. Does he feel that his bench players are so weak that they can't replace a freshman player who was 2-13 at that point? That's pathetic. No one here (at least, not the sane ones) wants to see opposing players injured, especially when our ire is directed toward their jerk of a coach (all Tara Vanderveer got from us for breaking Pat's record were hearty congratulations). We don't even want misfortune in the way of bad health to befall the coach. But he continues to find ways to belittle Tennessee...the program that, even by his own admission, gave him the opportunity to gain early exposure when they were becoming contenders. And he complained about Tennessee having a "toxic atmosphere," in part due to his allegations that Tennessee continued to play EW when she was injured. The sarcastic comments are just a way of giving him a dose of his own medicine. Sauce for the goose. However, it by some chance the injury did turn out to be more serious than thought, would you still have the same attitude toward putting her back in? That would be a pretty damning look for a coach, especially since she had already played 37 minutes. So is the complaint that Geno wants to win? Pretty sure every coach, every player, and every poster to a team board... ever ... all want their team to win. Maybe the supposed infraction is that his superior medical assessment should have ignored the evidence given by trainer and kid. Do we not know of dozens of times over the years when players have had moments that looked much worse and then returned to continue playing for that game and had no long term deleterious effects? Stewie would be a prime example. Further, was Lou allowed to continue playing in the finals once it became clear that her injury was non-trivial? Nope. Exactly what should he have used as a determining criteria at that moment if not trainer observations and player assertions? There is no "ankle protocol" Finally, we can agree that players can make poor decisions in those moments and that adrenaline can mask a real problem. But that effect is very short lived. He did not let her return immediately. He made her sit a minute, then was persuaded by the fact that she was actually hobbling less! A more serious injury would have been more likely to stiffen up even more, as the adrenaline boost wears off. This is what happened. We cannot know if that was the wisdom of his years or dumb luck, but it resulted in an extra measure of caution for Paige. I have to add this thought. There is a hint here suggesting Geno doesn't care for his players. Every shred of evidence leads to the opposite conclusion. He loves those young ladies and they love him. That shows literally decades later when former players retell and relive tales of the past. The games by then are merely context. What matters is the talk about who said what or how they were feeling at the time. Rebecca's moving HOF speech shared unequivocally their mutual admiration and affection. But we don't have to stop there. It is seemingly universal. He has participated in many weddings, keeps in touch with even the walk on and career subs. It is impossible to fake that. Candice Parker speaks eloquently about how much more than basketball she got from Pat. Many others as well. Fans of both of these titans of coaching ... and humanity ... should recognize that those two were much more similar than we might see at first glance ... at least in the most important ways. |
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Post by doggydaddy on Jan 24, 2021 10:56:35 GMT -5
How many games did Evina sit out for Tennessee with her knee issues? I don't know the answer to that, but my guess is none. Tennessee was a dumpster fire during the years Evina played there. They needed every one on their key players to play to have a chance to win in the vast majority of their games in those years. Good teams, bad teams. She played. Sit the #2 ranked player in her class so that she didn't aggravate an existing injury? Didn't happen. Heck, they couldn't manage to win games they should have easily won WITH her on the floor. Can you imagine how bad their record would have been without her playing? Injury or not, Evina played on in pain and did not get the treatment she needed. A rolled ankle is a far cry from a knee injury that required not one but two surgeries to repair. This is an excellent point. Anf for the record, Evina played every game for Tennessee over two seasons. Every game. |
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Post by bulkey on Jan 24, 2021 11:31:56 GMT -5
The trainer looked at her ankle and taped it. Presumably that means that the trainer okayed her for play. Geno always follows the medical decision.
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Post by swash on Jan 24, 2021 12:06:48 GMT -5
The trainer looked at her ankle and taped it. Presumably that means that the trainer okayed her for play. Geno always follows the medical decision. yeah. Ankles are rarely career-threatening, and Geno always defers to available experience and expertise in health and safety matters. Knees are a whole different can of worms. Presumably this poster was speaking up regularly about Westbrook's fitness to play back then. Right? Right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 12:33:32 GMT -5
The idiots on Volnation are always looking for ways to trash Geno and now it’s that he cares more about winning than the health of his players. I would love some great responses to this post by a Vol fan that I can reply with. Join right in. Something to do on a quiet Sunday. (1) He left her out there initially after she rolled her ankle to hobble around in obvious pain. She could barely limp down the floor, wincing all the way. It was apparent that she was injured and needed to be checked out, but he didn't take her out immediately despite the obvious. As for wanting to go back in, Need Orange actually made the argument that "In the last minutes of a game the adrenalin is so high you would go back in with a minor bone break." That's admirable for the competitiveness of the player, but that's why others have to make the call. Sure, both his player and the trainer said she was good to go. But there could have been something more serious going on that could have been aggravated by going back out. (2) He had made a point of saying that the Tennessee game was "no big deal." If that were truly the case, and if he has recruited as well as his admirers give him credit for doing, then surely he has a backup PG who can play the last minute of the game, especially with his team having the lead and the ball. Does he feel that his bench players are so weak that they can't replace a freshman player who was 2-13 at that point? That's pathetic. No one here (at least, not the sane ones) wants to see opposing players injured, especially when our ire is directed toward their jerk of a coach (all Tara Vanderveer got from us for breaking Pat's record were hearty congratulations). We don't even want misfortune in the way of bad health to befall the coach. But he continues to find ways to belittle Tennessee...the program that, even by his own admission, gave him the opportunity to gain early exposure when they were becoming contenders. And he complained about Tennessee having a "toxic atmosphere," in part due to his allegations that Tennessee continued to play EW when she was injured. The sarcastic comments are just a way of giving him a dose of his own medicine. Sauce for the goose. However, it by some chance the injury did turn out to be more serious than thought, would you still have the same attitude toward putting her back in? That would be a pretty damning look for a coach, especially since she had already played 37 minutes. Some of the yokels @ Lady Vol Nation are like petulant politicians who will ALWAYS disagree and nitpick?? However; when I re-watched the UConn - Tenn game, I thought that Geno should have taken Paige out immediately to get her looked at and ankle taped! Hindsight is 20 20! He waited a few minutes and then did that. OK....now Geno probably also knew that Anna was struggling with leg issues which we were unaware of! Geno also likely wasn't comfortable putting in Nika or Autumn given their abilities? It's always good to save your time outs (he did) just in case things like this crop up!! There was a lot going on in Geno's head; some of which we have no idea about, and he quickly had Paige examined! He's not perfect, but DAMN near close IMO!!  Now I'm gonna be really honest about the absolute idiocy of them ( Vol fans) whining about allowing players to play when injured!! Evina Westbrook played hurt for an entire season and esteemed ex Lady Vol Player extraordinaire and crackpot coach Holly Warlick had no problem with Evina playing an entire season for them?  ? Thank God Evina escaped from the Planet of the MORONS and transferred to UConn! Who knows just how much damage was done to her knee because TENNESSEE had her playing 30+ minutes while injured for that entire season? Perhaps the esteemed Coach Jumper can jump (sic) in and give us his thoughts on this?? Finally; Tennessee is in the midst of an NCAA investigation about their rock bottom football program where recruits were given McDonald's bags of cash, their head coach was just recently fired, incompetent AD Philip "BLOCKHEAD" Fulmer is being forced out and these troglodytes wanna nit pick Geno Auriemma!!! They're absolving AD Fulmer of any wrongdoing, but it just goes to show you how utterly stupid the dunce is for not being aware of the problems??? Or perhaps he knew and they want to ease him out with his sterling reputation for being totally clueless?? Like Sergeant Schultz in Hogans Heroes..........idiots.......  One thing is for certain.....Tennessee sux!!!! apnews.com/article/college-football-phillip-fulmer-jeremy-pruitt-football-tennessee-59e4734fdb0a33d9a185f590e6c0a864sports.yahoo.com/tennessee-moves-quickly-hires-ucfs-194933003.html247sports.com/Article/tennessee-football-fires-jeremy-pruitt-chancellor-says-phillip-fulmer-not-guilty-investigation-159514334/ |
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Post by ursusminor on Jan 24, 2021 19:17:41 GMT -5
I think it's also worth noting that, in all likelihood, nearly every player in college basketball has rolled an ankle at least once. Young athletes are familiar with minor injuries, and you have to trust them to judge for themselves whether or not they can play through it. Of course, you get situations when a player says they're fine when they're not, either due to an honest mistake or because they don't want to get pulled from the game. But the player's initial first impression of the injury is going to be more informed than anyone else's.
My vague recollection is that Geno did what he usually does in those situations; the player stays in if she wants to, and he pulls her if he sees that he needs to.
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Post by swash on Jan 24, 2021 19:40:19 GMT -5
I think it's also worth noting that, in all likelihood, nearly every player in college basketball has rolled an ankle at least once. Young athletes are familiar with minor injuries, and you have to trust them to judge for themselves whether or not they can play through it. Of course, you get situations when a player says they're fine when they're not, either due to an honest mistake or because they don't want to get pulled from the game. But the player's initial first impression of the injury is going to be more informed than anyone else's. My vague recollection is that Geno did what he usually does in those situations; the player stays in if she wants to, and he pulls her if he sees that he needs to. exactly. Then, when everyone on earth expected her to go in after the timeout, she was still on the bench. Only returning at the next stoppage. I suspect he was thinking offense/defense subbing, at that point, but it was not needed |
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Post by semper on Jan 24, 2021 19:51:28 GMT -5
The team did great work. I have no more to add. Did a bit of research and came up with nothing. And I'm terrible at sarcasm. Seems you got enough. Charge!
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Post by huskyharper on Jan 24, 2021 20:17:10 GMT -5
I read that stupid thread on VOL Nation and shook my head, thinking how asinine the whole idea is, especially with the Evina Westbrook situation. Their precious Lady Vols played her injured and created further injury by doing so, IMO she should consider suing them for loss of future wages in the "W" and overseas. That should shut those backwoods, inbred Vol-nuts up. They're disgusting in their hypocrisy.
Pat Summit would Never have played EW injured.
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Post by linkster on Jan 24, 2021 22:36:30 GMT -5
Those idiots forget that Pat let Parker play in a game after she had dislocated her shoulder twice.
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Post by semper on Jan 25, 2021 5:03:38 GMT -5
That was the kind of thing I was looking for, and forgot about Parker's shoulder.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 11:40:45 GMT -5
That was the kind of thing I was looking for, and forgot about Parker's shoulder. Lady Vol Nation is such a crazy fantasy land of clowns, miscreants and rabid Saint Pat worshipers?? Both Candace and Pat are deities in the eyes of posters there, and Geno is Satan personified??? It's crazy there? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 17:21:55 GMT -5
That was the kind of thing I was looking for, and forgot about Parker's shoulder. Those same idiots are the very ones who still believe the Donner Party is an Irish Frat Party celebrating Saints Pat Summitt and Phillip Fulmer!!! |
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Post by phil on Jan 26, 2021 9:42:28 GMT -5
That was the kind of thing I was looking for, and forgot about Parker's shoulder. Those same idiots are the very ones who still believe the Donner Party is an Irish Frat Party celebrating Saints Pat Summitt and Phillip Fulmer!!! Yes, how sad that they don't know it is the post Christmas party for the reindeer. |
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Post by chicagogg on Jan 26, 2021 9:49:19 GMT -5
Those same idiots are the very ones who still believe the Donner Party is an Irish Frat Party celebrating Saints Pat Summitt and Phillip Fulmer!!! Yes, how sad that they don't know it is the post Christmas party for the reindeer. Got me good, Phil! Almost spilled coffee everywhere I was laughing so hard! |
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? Thank God Evina escaped from the Planet of the MORONS and transferred to UConn! Who knows just how much damage was done to her knee because TENNESSEE had her playing 30+ minutes while injured for that entire season? Perhaps the esteemed Coach Jumper can jump (sic) in and give us his thoughts on this??
