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Post by orangutan on Jan 5, 2017 13:56:40 GMT -5
ND is 154-10 over the last 5 seasons. But you wouldn't know it from reading McGraw's bench. Of several negative posts, this takes the cake as the most ridiculous to me. I don't know, though. Maybe you guys will agree with it!  www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=mcgraw;pid=42410;d=thisMy "favorite" is Boley being deemed a "bust" who "can't shoot" from range (she's shooting 37.8% from 3) after 189 minutes of her college career. |
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Post by uconncat on Jan 5, 2017 14:35:23 GMT -5
Wow. Talk about an over-reaction. I've said that this year's ND team is not as good as I expected and that something is missing from this team but some of the stuff in that post is ridiculous. Audit of the program? Maybe the expectations for this year's ND team were just a little too high but the team is still one of the best in the country.
In addition to the silliness on Boley who is simply in the process of adjusting to playing elite D1 basketball, the comment on Ogunbowale is just plain wrong. Arike is deadly when she goes to her left and it is by far her preferred side whether going to the basket or pulling up for a jumper. UConn's scouting report is to force her right.
I must say, though, "Flopsy Mabry" is pretty funny.
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Post by swash on Jan 5, 2017 15:54:07 GMT -5
I think ND will come around. They are being "led" astray by two strong young personalities in Marina and Arike, who get assists like Mitchell does at OSU. All three are "Pass-Last" players, with a good eye, but only look for a pass when her own shot is absolutely not possible (and because they are so good individually, that isn't often enough). I have only seen three games from them this season, but it looks to me that Allen is shooting less than she should - perhaps trying to model better behavior for those two. It'll never happen, but maybe what they need is for Turner to take those kids aside after a stupid no-hope shot and scream at them to "Give me the damn ball!!!!!!!" (with all seven exclamation marks included in the message). Those two players have exceptional talent, but are hurting their team with playground style. If those two grow up, ND is instantly back to a FF team and a true threat to win an NC.
BTW - Such a change would likely not reduce their opportunities to actually shoot the ball, but rather assure that more of those opportunities are better shots. Don't tell Orang, though. Better for us if ND continues on this path. Wink!
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Post by uconncat on Jan 5, 2017 16:26:52 GMT -5
Muffet recently identified 2 areas that need improvement: 1) more effort and intensity
“That is something that has to come from each individual player,” she said. “We can sub more to try to play the people who are playing hard, but it's not just one or two people. I think the whole team needs to improve its effort.”
2) less one-on-one basketball
“I think when that happens, when you can't score, everyone says 'Well let me try and help. I will see what I can do.' That takes you a little out of the rhythm and flow of the offense,” she said. “It's a problem of trying to do too much and pressing to make something happen. It's not a negative, selfish one-on-one thing. It's more of a 'We are really struggling, maybe I can help' problem.”
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Post by orangutan on Jan 5, 2017 16:33:20 GMT -5
They are being "led" astray by two strong young personalities in Marina and Arike, who get assists like Mitchell does at OSU. All three are "Pass-Last" players, with a good eye, but only look for a pass when her own shot is absolutely not possible (and because they are so good individually, that isn't often enough). Good post, minor quibble: I agree re Arike but that's a little harsh on Marina. If Marina is on a roll, she will want to shoot it whenever she touches it. But generally, she's a willing passer. She's averaging about 3 ast/game in roughly 24 mpg with a 1.6 a/to ratio. I did some quick calculations on fga vs. assists to see how much the players mentioned are passing as compared to shooting. Mabrey 3.39 fga/ast Mitchell 4.47 fga/ast Arike 8.46 fga/ast  |
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Post by uconncat on Jan 5, 2017 16:48:22 GMT -5
They are being "led" astray by two strong young personalities in Marina and Arike, who get assists like Mitchell does at OSU. All three are "Pass-Last" players, with a good eye, but only look for a pass when her own shot is absolutely not possible (and because they are so good individually, that isn't often enough). Good post, minor quibble: I agree re Arike but that's a little harsh on Marina. If Marina is on a roll, she will want to shoot it whenever she touches it. But generally, she's a willing passer. She's averaging about 3 ast/game in roughly 24 mpg with a 1.6 a/to ratio. I did some quick calculations on fga vs. assists to see how much the players mentioned are passing as compared to shooting. Mabrey 3.39 fga/ast Mitchell 4.47 fga/ast Arike 8.46 fga/ast Agree on Mabrey. Yikes on Arike! That's pretty remarkable. |
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Post by swash on Jan 5, 2017 17:11:43 GMT -5
They are being "led" astray by two strong young personalities in Marina and Arike, who get assists like Mitchell does at OSU. All three are "Pass-Last" players, with a good eye, but only look for a pass when her own shot is absolutely not possible (and because they are so good individually, that isn't often enough). Good post, minor quibble: I agree re Arike but that's a little harsh on Marina. If Marina is on a roll, she will want to shoot it whenever she touches it. But generally, she's a willing passer. She's averaging about 3 ast/game in roughly 24 mpg with a 1.6 a/to ratio. I did some quick calculations on fga vs. assists to see how much the players mentioned are passing as compared to shooting. Mabrey 3.39 fga/ast Mitchell 4.47 fga/ast Arike 8.46 fga/ast Nice stat. Clearly less on Marina, but it still feels to me like her assists are coming when there isn't any hope for a shot. Again, only a small sample of three ND games this year for me. Let me emphasize that Mabrey is a very capable passer when she decides to give it up. To a lesser degree, so are the other two. |
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Post by uconncat on Jan 5, 2017 18:09:03 GMT -5
Notre Dame getting help at point guard next season. Former Stanford guard Lilli Thompson transferring to ND for her final season of eligibility.
McGraw's bench may get a little more interesting if Thompson's parents decide to post there as they often did on the Stanford board. This should be interesting.
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Post by uconncat on Jan 5, 2017 18:25:22 GMT -5
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Post by orangutan on Jan 5, 2017 18:29:51 GMT -5
I'm no scout, but I'd think she is a fringe WNBA player at best - no guarantee to make a roster. Seems smart to do a year of grad school at ND before testing those waters. |
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Post by uconncat on Jan 5, 2017 22:07:59 GMT -5
I'm no scout, but I'd think she is a fringe WNBA player at best - no guarantee to make a roster. Seems smart to do a year of grad school at ND before testing those waters. There is still some question as to why she decided not to play her senior year at Stanford. Some speculate that she and her father were not pleased with Tara's blunt assessment after the loss to Washington to end the season about what Thompson needed to do to improve: “We need her to be unselfish and have a better turnover-to-assist ratio.” Her father is reportedly very involved in her basketball career and may have had some disagreements with Tara about how Lilly was used. Muffet values assist-to-turnover ratio as much as any coach so it'll be interesting to see how Thompson does at point guard. |
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Post by samanthabrown3 on Jan 9, 2017 9:40:59 GMT -5
Wonder what the poster means by an audit of the program. If Muffet's any good (and word on the street is that she is), she analyzes the program after every practice and every game.
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Post by uconncat on Jan 9, 2017 11:03:30 GMT -5
I understand that Thompson's parents may have been banned from a Stanford message after some nasty posts. McGraw's bench may become very lively if the parents discover it and things don't go so well on the court next season. Or maybe some lessons were learned.
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Post by swash on Jan 9, 2017 11:06:13 GMT -5
Wonder what the poster means by an audit of the program. If Muffet's any good (and word on the street is that she is), she analyzes the program after every practice and every game. Perhaps, but some posters get a bit over the top on the occasion of an unexpected loss or maybe even a closer-than-expected win. This Muffet thread was particularly harsh, but there were several nasty TOB threads after the Stanford loss ... about say ... 90 (!!  ) games ago. Stewie wasn't tough enough, we'll never get anything out of that Freshman class, they'll never stop team from scoring 100/game, the sky has already fallen, and on and on. When things started to look better, the Eeyore posters faded or softened their stances "... and the flowers bloomed like madness in the spri-i-ing." |
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Post by linkster on Jan 9, 2017 19:03:20 GMT -5
I don't get many opportunities to use my sociology training but this is one. Unmet expectations, whether or not they are reasonable, lead to acts of frustration.
The "meltdown" is due to unmet expectations. When a group has expectations of an improvement in their situation and those expectations are unmet the reaction is a degree of "acting out" their frustration. In the case of Notre Dame the expectations on their board were that Patberg, Young and Boley were going step right in as major contributors. Add to that the expectation that Turner was going to become even more of a weapon with two good shoulders. Last season we saw the same thing over on the LV board. DeShields was going to play, Russell was going to dominate after her foot surgeries and Cooper was going to show why she was better than Dangerfield.
In both those cases the expectations were miss-guided. It's rare for a freshman to step in and dominate. Mitchell did it but only as a scorer. When you have the ball coming over the half court line and shoot 25 times a game you score a lot of points. But look at Stewart, Tuck & Jefferson. As someone pointed out above, TOB was all gaga about them long before they stepped on the court and when they didn't dominate many of the posters there were ready to dump them and start over. It's easy to look like Jordan or Chamberlain in a HS highlight video but some keep buying the hype over and over.
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Post by swash on Jan 9, 2017 20:29:17 GMT -5
Well said, Inkster.
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Post by semper on Jan 9, 2017 23:53:41 GMT -5
Well, they just picked up the no. 1 guard in the class to come, so if guards win championships, ND is going to be stacked. But how will that pan out?
"Next year we are going to be amazing"...remember when we were saying that every other minute? You can't always tell who will step up and how...turns out we are amazing this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 6:37:41 GMT -5
Cognitive psychology has a similar view of the situation.
We have pictures of how things should be, and we go through life comparing our often idealized or perfect pictures to the external reality. If the world matches the picture-yea! If the world doesn't match-boo!
We can surmise the importance of the need being satisfied by a particular picture by the individual's strength of reaction to the match/mismatch. Wild elation- the world met or exceeded the individual's picture/expectation of how it 'should' be. Anger or depression suggests that the world served up something less/much less than the individual's picture.
For me the important point is that it is my pictures that dictate my reality, not the external reality. When we play a team, say ND, and UConn prevails, that matches our pictures and we feel good, while those on the ND board may start to eat their young, although that is more an orange trait than a green one. Even though the result of the game is the same, each fan takes out their particular picture and compares what they want, to what is, and then reacts accordingly.
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Post by semper on Jan 10, 2017 8:32:54 GMT -5
The Green team should be proud of what they are done and are doing; the Orange team, not so much. And I think the boards reflect that. I haven't heard many people advocate for Muffet to be "faryd." There is a real difference, at least so far...but UCONN is on everyone's mind for sure. Actually, if not for UCONN the Green would probably have won multiple NC's in the Diggins years or the Loyd years; but in the later Pat and Holly years, nah.
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Post by rvwsleep on Jan 10, 2017 17:54:20 GMT -5
I'm convinced that posters are pretty much the same throughout wcbb. The main difference among the various teams forums is how the moderators control the conversations. Do they allow wild speculation ? Off color language ?
And how do they treat posters from other teams ?
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Post by uconncat on Jan 11, 2017 13:16:14 GMT -5
So, some posters on McGraw's bench seem pleased that former UConn strength and conditioning coach, Matt Balis, has just been hired by ND. Balis was let go by UConn, presumably so new football coach Edsall can bring in his own strength and conditioning coach. Anyway, seems that the ND fans think Matt Balis had something to do with the strength and conditioning of the UConn women. Sorry to burst their bubble, but he didn't. The coach who works directly with the women's basketball team and has for many years is Amanda Kimball. She's been at UConn since 2004 and is nothing short of outstanding. Balis was hired by that fool Diaco in 2014 and although he may have had overall responsibility for the entire department, he has had zero impact on the strength and conditioning of UConn women's basketball team. Balis worked mostly with men's football and, according to some, had very mixed results.
Good luck to Balis at ND but Amanda Kimball is still doing amazing things at UConn.
Here are some posts from McGraw's bench posters on Balis:
"Two major factors are mental and physical prep.
As has been mentioned before, hopefully some of that will rub off on us with the recent hire of their S&C coach."
the Irish will add Matt Balis as Director of Football Performance from the University of Connecticut, where he spent three years overseeing all programs.
Balis was directly in charge of designing and implementing strength and conditioning programs for football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball and volleyball.
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UConn's women seem stronger and faster than everyone else, esp after just 1 year in the program. Look at KL Samuelson and her gain in strength from FR to Soph year.
Unusual, obscure, minutely researched, and possibly relevant—this is the type of fun fact that keeps the board interesting. Can we get Matt Balis to work with the women? Perhaps it is just the edge we need. And I totally agree with your assessment of Katie Lou.
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Post by orangutan on Jan 11, 2017 16:11:27 GMT -5
So, some posters on McGraw's bench seem pleased that former UConn strength and conditioning coach, Matt Balis, has just been hired by ND. Balis was let go by UConn, presumably so new football coach Edsall can bring in his own strength and conditioning coach. Anyway, seems that the ND fans think Matt Balis had something to do with the strength and conditioning of the UConn women. Sorry to burst their bubble, but he didn't. The coach who works directly with the women's basketball team and has for many years is Amanda Kimball. She's been at UConn since 2004 and is nothing short of outstanding. Balis was hired by that fool Diaco in 2014 and although he may have had overall responsibility for the entire department, he has had zero impact on the strength and conditioning of UConn women's basketball team. Balis worked mostly with men's football and, according to some, had very mixed results. Good luck to Balis at ND but Amanda Kimball is still doing amazing things at UConn. Here are some posts from McGraw's bench posters on Balis: "Two major factors are mental and physical prep.
As has been mentioned before, hopefully some of that will rub off on us with the recent hire of their S&C coach."
the Irish will add Matt Balis as Director of Football Performance from the University of Connecticut, where he spent three years overseeing all programs. Balis was directly in charge of designing and implementing strength and conditioning programs for football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball and volleyball.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- UConn's women seem stronger and faster than everyone else, esp after just 1 year in the program. Look at KL Samuelson and her gain in strength from FR to Soph year. Unusual, obscure, minutely researched, and possibly relevant—this is the type of fun fact that keeps the board interesting. Can we get Matt Balis to work with the women? Perhaps it is just the edge we need. And I totally agree with your assessment of Katie Lou. Yeah, I thought that was odd. Seems like grasping at straws. |
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Post by phil on Jan 12, 2017 15:04:37 GMT -5
I totally agree. Balis might have had overall responsibility, but if he had any smarts, he let Amanda do her thing.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Jan 15, 2017 10:13:05 GMT -5
Interested in orangutan's rx to this perhaps faulty perception regarding Muffet's Bench. Seems to me its content has been concentrating more and more on recruiting. Enthusiasm builds for new recruits and then they are pretty lightly followed while the recruiting wars garner a lot of attention.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Jan 16, 2017 21:38:37 GMT -5
The real meltdown in progress now after loss to Tenn.
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) games ago. Stewie wasn't tough enough, we'll never get anything out of that Freshman class, they'll never stop team from scoring 100/game, the sky has already fallen, and on and on. When things started to look better, the Eeyore posters faded or softened their stances "... and the flowers bloomed like madness in the spri-i-ing." 
