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Post by bulkey on May 26, 2024 10:18:28 GMT -5
Seriously, if no one portals and we get no new recruits (though we're pining for Olivia, Lara, and a few others!), look how strong the team already will be with current or committed sophomores, jrs. and srs. Click to enlarge  |
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Post by doggydaddy on May 26, 2024 10:46:08 GMT -5
Seriously, if no one portals and we get no new recruits (though we're pining for Olivia, Lara, and a few others!), look how strong the team already will be with current or committed sophomores, jrs. and srs. Click to enlarge View AttachmentFantastic. The heights of the players make me crazy! Is brady 6'3" or 6'4". And isn't El Alfy anywhere from 6'4"-6'6"?? Now Patterson is 6'3" not 6'2"? And Morgan is definately 6'2" not 6'. |
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Post by jonathan on May 28, 2024 21:54:00 GMT -5
Seriously, if no one portals and we get no new recruits (though we're pining for Olivia, Lara, and a few others!), look how strong the team already will be with current or committed sophomores, jrs. and srs. Click to enlarge View AttachmentWe said that three years ago. Between injuries and the portal, the future is very muddy. It is a different game but, on the men's side, it seems the winning formula in the portal era is to supplement your starting 5 with at least two transfers. Think about it. Not every high school recruit delivers on their hype for a variety of reasons. In the portal era, you get to see who develops and then grab them. If you only stick with your high school recruits, your team is likely to have holes. |
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Post by linkster on May 28, 2024 23:21:55 GMT -5
The pool of players in the portal will decrease next year, both in quantity and in quality. Grad players will be gone and that's where most of the quality lived. And underclassmen are more likely to carry baggage with them. Who will benefit will be the players who developed late or played out of the AAU travelling circuits. Those players will get nice NIL packages.
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Post by semper on May 29, 2024 1:43:19 GMT -5
Why won't there be new grad players in the portal every year?
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Post by huskyharper on May 29, 2024 3:34:01 GMT -5
Why won't there be new grad players in the portal every year? No more covid ones, the extra year kids are done. |
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Post by bulkey on May 29, 2024 8:45:00 GMT -5
Probably the 4 biggest impact portallers--Beers, Iriafen, Olsen, and Barker--were not Covid year transfers. So long as NIL can be bidded--and the anticipated legislation does not affect that--select but essential top underclass players will be looking for "greener" pastures.
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Post by doggydaddy on May 29, 2024 11:31:32 GMT -5
Probably the 4 biggest impact portallers--Beers, Iriafen, Olsen, and Barker--were not Covid year transfers. So long as NIL can be bidded--and the anticipated legislation does not affect that--select but essential top underclass players will be looking for "greener" pastures. I’m curious if you know the details of those players NIL deals? Was Beers given more at Oklahoma than UConn or was it more the difference in being in her favored lifestyle and then hiring her coach at Oregon? Was Iriafen, Olsen or Barker offered more where they went or was It a chance either win, play with a specific coach or specific players? |
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Post by bulkey on May 29, 2024 11:59:36 GMT -5
Probably the 4 biggest impact portallers--Beers, Iriafen, Olsen, and Barker--were not Covid year transfers. So long as NIL can be bidded--and the anticipated legislation does not affect that--select but essential top underclass players will be looking for "greener" pastures. I’m curious if you know the details of those players NIL deals? Was Beers given more at Oklahoma than UConn or was it more the difference in being in her favored lifestyle and then hiring her coach at Oregon? Was Iriafen, Olsen or Barker offered more where they went or was It a chance either win, play with a specific coach or specific players? Of course there are a lot of variables besides the bottom line. But when Geno makes a direct appeal to fans for $500k (which doesn't get you very far--you need at least 10x that much in endowment to spin off enough to get close to matching what Cori Close has announced publicly she's paying even players at the end of the bench), we ain't in Kansas anymore.... All the momentum in college sports right now is in recognizing that athletes have limited earning windows. These players have agents or agents are approaching them. That is well-known. So suddenly a 19 year old, looking at under $100k/year if she makes the WNBA in 3 years, is told that she can get multiples of that right now in college, it is going to weigh heavily. How heavily depends on every individual. |
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Post by doggydaddy on May 29, 2024 14:22:09 GMT -5
I’m curious if you know the details of those players NIL deals? Was Beers given more at Oklahoma than UConn or was it more the difference in being in her favored lifestyle and then hiring her coach at Oregon? Was Iriafen, Olsen or Barker offered more where they went or was It a chance either win, play with a specific coach or specific players? Of course there are a lot of variables besides the bottom line. But when Geno makes a direct appeal to fans for $500k (which doesn't get you very far--you need at least 10x that much in endowment to spin off enough to get close to matching what Cori Close has announced publicly she's paying even players at the end of the bench), we ain't in Kansas anymore.... All the momentum in college sports right now is in recognizing that athletes have limited earning windows. These players have agents or agents are approaching them. That is well-known. So suddenly a 19 year old, looking at under $100k/year if she makes the WNBA in 3 years, is told that she can get multiples of that right now in college, it is going to weigh heavily. How heavily depends on every individual. So you don’t know the details. Somehow Geno got the 1,7 and 11 player to come to UConn. You think that’s over for him? |
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Post by bulkey on May 29, 2024 14:56:30 GMT -5
Of course there are a lot of variables besides the bottom line. But when Geno makes a direct appeal to fans for $500k (which doesn't get you very far--you need at least 10x that much in endowment to spin off enough to get close to matching what Cori Close has announced publicly she's paying even players at the end of the bench), we ain't in Kansas anymore.... All the momentum in college sports right now is in recognizing that athletes have limited earning windows. These players have agents or agents are approaching them. That is well-known. So suddenly a 19 year old, looking at under $100k/year if she makes the WNBA in 3 years, is told that she can get multiples of that right now in college, it is going to weigh heavily. How heavily depends on every individual. So you don’t know the details. Somehow Geno got the 1,7 and 11 player to come to UConn. You think that’s over for him? No one of course has "details." When a huge number of coaches say that players are being bought (months ago, I posted the article from the Athletic where more than 50% of WCBB coaches polled anonymously said that NIL is a determining factor in portalling; when Nick Saban--easily the most successful college football coach of the past 15 years--says he's retiring at least partially because of NIL), then it matters. Anyway, the point I was making wasn't really about NIL. If you read it carefully, it was about whether with the end of the extra Covid year the portal will be less important. I was pointing out that the 4 biggest gets in the portal weren't Covid year players. NIL is one component of where they'll go. The point is that they did go. |
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Post by linkster on May 29, 2024 15:45:34 GMT -5
So you don’t know the details. Somehow Geno got the 1,7 and 11 player to come to UConn. You think that’s over for him? No one of course has "details." When a huge number of coaches say that players are being bought (months ago, I posted the article from the Athletic where more than 50% of WCBB coaches polled anonymously said that NIL is a determining factor in portalling; when Nick Saban--easily the most successful college football coach of the past 15 years--says he's retiring at least partially because of NIL), then it matters. Anyway, the point I was making wasn't really about NIL. If you read it carefully, it was about whether with the end of the extra Covid year the portal will be less important. I was pointing out that the 4 biggest gets in the portal weren't Covid year players. NIL is one component of where they'll go. The point is that they did go. If four top level players transfer every year it's not a big deal. When 200 do it it becomes a big deal but I am doubtful that schools will have unlimited funds for women's basketball. It's still a fringe sport at most schools. We seem to be focused on the big picture. Players coming from HS who were ignored by the elite schools and went to schools offering meager or no NIL can get a second shot after a year or two of elite play. Not so good for their school but definitely a better deal for the players. How long will it be before wcbb athletes sue the WNBA for the right to enter their draft early like the men are able to do? That looks like an easy equal rights lawsuit. |
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Post by bulkey on May 29, 2024 16:06:25 GMT -5
No one of course has "details." When a huge number of coaches say that players are being bought (months ago, I posted the article from the Athletic where more than 50% of WCBB coaches polled anonymously said that NIL is a determining factor in portalling; when Nick Saban--easily the most successful college football coach of the past 15 years--says he's retiring at least partially because of NIL), then it matters. Anyway, the point I was making wasn't really about NIL. If you read it carefully, it was about whether with the end of the extra Covid year the portal will be less important. I was pointing out that the 4 biggest gets in the portal weren't Covid year players. NIL is one component of where they'll go. The point is that they did go. If four top level players transfer every year it's not a big deal. When 200 do it it becomes a big deal but I am doubtful that schools will have unlimited funds for women's basketball. It's still a fringe sport at most schools. We seem to be focused on the big picture. Players coming from HS who were ignored by the elite schools and went to schools offering meager or no NIL can get a second shot after a year or two of elite play. Not so good for their school but definitely a better deal for the players. How long will it be before wcbb athletes sue the WNBA for the right to enter their draft early like the men are able to do? That looks like an easy equal rights lawsuit. I think you only need a dozen or so important players to transfer to have a huge impact on the game at the very top level, whether they originally start out at a great place or earn that through their play at a lesser school. I agree that one-and-done will come to WCBB also. What's stopping it is that players can make more, and more easily, in college. Witness Paige's decision: whether or not she made it for college NIL vs. pro NIL, college NIL made it a reasonable financial, as well as emotional, choice for her. OTOH, as bigger commercial contracts become available for WNBA players, the arithmetic will change. Clark is making $4-5 M/year now in endorsements. |
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