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Post by yetanotherwilliams on Mar 25, 2024 19:52:56 GMT -5
A strange game -- in the 4th Quarter, UConn made 7 of 10 from the field, including 3 for 3 from, um, 3. And they made all (i.e., both) of their free throws.
Sounds like on offense firing on all cylinders, doesn't it? But it sure didn't seem like it. Too many turnovers tonight, (17) and too few assists (17).
I think it was just bad luck, but I remember thinking in the first quarter that every loose ball seemed to end up in the hands of the Orangewomen. Not for lack of effort, but just the rub of the green.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Mar 25, 2024 20:01:46 GMT -5
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Post by linkster on Mar 25, 2024 20:04:26 GMT -5
With around 1:10 to go in the 3rd, Nika and Paige double Fair and knock the ball away. It clearly went off Paige's knee out of bounds. There's no possible way she didn't know that. And yet, she pointed toward her offensive basket, trying to convince the ref. to make the call go her way. And, if the ref had agreed with Paige and there wasn't instant replay, UConn would have had the ball when it shouldn't have. Everyone in the whole world does that, right? We all do. I sure do. Hmmmm..... what are the moral consequences of what we think is okay in sports? Golfers call penalties on themselves. There are cheats in golf but virtually all the people I played with called penalties on themselves. The morality message? Easy: Just win baby!!
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Post by bulkey on Mar 25, 2024 20:09:49 GMT -5
Going to go watch the first half of the UCLA Creighton game. If it is close at the half, I may force myself to stay awake for the remainder. Creighton looking good, but so is Betts
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Post by linkster on Mar 25, 2024 20:35:00 GMT -5
Yes, tough game for Ice. She needs to live up to her nickname in a hurry.... A little harsh for a BET all-tournament team member? Having bad games is part of being a 1st year player for most. UConn lost it's aggressiveness for stretches after they built leads and went into "protect the lead" mode. From now on in the tournament if they get a team down they need to sink their fangs into it's neck and end it.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 25, 2024 20:46:02 GMT -5
Yes, tough game for Ice. She needs to live up to her nickname in a hurry.... A little harsh for a BET all-tournament team member? Having bad games is part of being a 1st year player for most. UConn lost it's aggressiveness for stretches after they built leads and when into "protect the lead" mode. From now on in the tournament if they get a team down they need to sink their fangs into it's neck and end it. maybe, 'cause I'd a big Ice fan. But she played rattled tonight. She needed to impose herself when she had position, and, instead, she was hesitant, which is deadly underneath.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 25, 2024 20:47:06 GMT -5
Maybe our best player-fan ever....
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Post by vtcwbuff on Mar 25, 2024 20:52:50 GMT -5
I think Brady played the same way she has played for most of the season. A really good game (this wasn't one) with a typical stinker.
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Post by linkster on Mar 25, 2024 20:55:19 GMT -5
A little harsh for a BET all-tournament team member? Having bad games is part of being a 1st year player for most. UConn lost it's aggressiveness for stretches after they built leads and when into "protect the lead" mode. From now on in the tournament if they get a team down they need to sink their fangs into it's neck and end it. maybe, 'cause I'd a big Ice fan. But she played rattled tonight. She needed to impose herself when she had position, and, instead, she was hesitant, which is deadly underneath. She needs to know what to do with the ball before she gets it. Then there's no hesitation and no need to rush. Edwards did the same thing in her 1st year. Syracuse was very physical. Brady needs to get stronger. In that vein, I loved Edwards winning the battle for the ball underneath inside 3 minutes. Nice rip.
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Post by swash on Mar 26, 2024 4:22:54 GMT -5
A little harsh for a BET all-tournament team member? Having bad games is part of being a 1st year player for most. UConn lost it's aggressiveness for stretches after they built leads and when into "protect the lead" mode. From now on in the tournament if they get a team down they need to sink their fangs into it's neck and end it. maybe, 'cause I'd a big Ice fan. But she played rattled tonight. She needed to impose herself when she had position, and, instead, she was hesitant, which is deadly underneath. In the BET, she grabbed rebounds forcefully with both hands. Last night she tipped them most times. That worked some, but it essentially reopens a rebound to the other players on the court, so your team is outnumbered 5 to 4 in that battle. If you're playing a super center, that can be good, else they scoop it out of your fingertips, but last night I was wanting our bags to use their strength inside.
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Post by semper on Mar 26, 2024 8:15:38 GMT -5
Wow, our game was so close. I thought AE would make more noise in the paint. I didn't watch...too nervous, but my family was watching, all rabid Cuse fans. Haven't talked to them today.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 26, 2024 11:16:19 GMT -5
Great Dan Connolly report this morning on the freshmen "saving the day." It reminds us that the Syracuse turnover that led to KK's shot, though brilliantly preserved by Paige's quick-thinking time out, was initiated by another freshman, Ashlynn.
.... After the Orange pulled back within one possession at 67-64, the visitors forced a bad shot from Bueckers, grabbed the rebound and pushed the ball up the court. Fair got it and — with UConn still trying to set up its defense — tried to attack the rim. She got past Bueckers but Shade stepped up and stripped the ball.
“I was just like, ‘Thank you!’ Shade said about the steal. “I know she was coming down here to score… Whatever happens, happens but I gotta be ready.”
That she was. After Shade knocked it out, Bueckers jumped on the loose ball and called timeout to secure possession for the Huskies with 50.0 left. Considering how much time they could drain off, one more basket would likely be enough to get the win.
With that on the line, everyone in the building expected Bueckers to take the all-important shot — Syracuse included. After all, she was basically the only UConn player to touch the ball on the two previous trips up the floor.
So as the shot clock wound down to 10, the Orange triple-teamed Bueckers at the top of the arc — and left KK Arnold wide open on the wing. Bueckers found the freshman, who pulled up for a 3-pointer without hesitation.
“You're standing over there all by yourself and the best player in the country is getting double teamed and she goes ‘Here KK, knock this in,’” Geno Auriemma said. “That's gotta make you feel like a million bucks, right?”
Arnold let it fly with 30 seconds left.
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“I knew getting her the ball was the right play,” Bueckers added. ....
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Post by vtcwbuff on Mar 26, 2024 11:54:24 GMT -5
With around 1:10 to go in the 3rd, Nika and Paige double Fair and knock the ball away. It clearly went off Paige's knee out of bounds. There's no possible way she didn't know that. And yet, she pointed toward her offensive basket, trying to convince the ref. to make the call go her way. And, if the ref had agreed with Paige and there wasn't instant replay, UConn would have had the ball when it shouldn't have. Everyone in the whole world does that, right? We all do. I sure do. Hmmmm..... what are the moral consequences of what we think is okay in sports? Golfers call penalties on themselves. There are cheats in golf but virtually all the people I played with called penalties on themselves. The morality message? Easy: Just win baby!! There are no refs in golf. The game relies on the honesty of the players. In basketball there are refs. It is their job to determine the calls. A player trying to encourage a ref to make the "right" call is not cheating.
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Post by meyers7 on Mar 26, 2024 11:56:58 GMT -5
Great Dan Connolly report this morning on the freshmen "saving the day." It reminds us that the Syracuse turnover that led to KK's shot, though brilliantly preserved by Paige's quick-thinking time out, was initiated by another freshman, Ashlynn. .... After the Orange pulled back within one possession at 67-64, the visitors forced a bad shot from Bueckers, grabbed the rebound and pushed the ball up the court. Fair got it and — with UConn still trying to set up its defense — tried to attack the rim. She got past Bueckers but Shade stepped up and stripped the ball.
“I was just like, ‘Thank you!’ Shade said about the steal. “I know she was coming down here to score… Whatever happens, happens but I gotta be ready.”
That she was. After Shade knocked it out, Bueckers jumped on the loose ball and called timeout to secure possession for the Huskies with 50.0 left. Considering how much time they could drain off, one more basket would likely be enough to get the win.
With that on the line, everyone in the building expected Bueckers to take the all-important shot — Syracuse included. After all, she was basically the only UConn player to touch the ball on the two previous trips up the floor.
So as the shot clock wound down to 10, the Orange triple-teamed Bueckers at the top of the arc — and left KK Arnold wide open on the wing. Bueckers found the freshman, who pulled up for a 3-pointer without hesitation.
“You're standing over there all by yourself and the best player in the country is getting double teamed and she goes ‘Here KK, knock this in,’” Geno Auriemma said. “That's gotta make you feel like a million bucks, right?”
Arnold let it fly with 30 seconds left.
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“I knew getting her the ball was the right play,” Bueckers added. ....
Kind of reminds me of Jordan and Kerr back in....97?
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Post by linkster on Mar 26, 2024 13:57:50 GMT -5
Golfers call penalties on themselves. There are cheats in golf but virtually all the people I played with called penalties on themselves. The morality message? Easy: Just win baby!! There are no refs in golf. The game relies on the honesty of the players. In basketball there are refs. It is their job to determine the calls. A player trying to encourage a ref to make the "right" call is not cheating. Yes it is. Because they never want the right call made, they want the call that helps them or their team, and the truth is irrelevant. When was the last time a basketball player told a ref that they did run into a player and that the foul should have been called on them? Silly, right? The player would be benched by their coach for being honest. In most sports players are trained by coaches in how to miss-lead the rules officials and that in and of itself is cheating. This is what kids learn from sports; winning is everything and the ends justify the means.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 26, 2024 14:02:06 GMT -5
I think a real issue is a team sport. As they used to say about the Patriots, if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. You feel you've let others down when you haven't done everything possible for your side.
Of course, the biggest sports cheating scandals right now are in chess, so there goes that theory. :-)
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Post by swash on Mar 26, 2024 15:06:56 GMT -5
Great Dan Connolly report this morning on the freshmen "saving the day." It reminds us that the Syracuse turnover that led to KK's shot, though brilliantly preserved by Paige's quick-thinking time out, was initiated by another freshman, Ashlynn. .... After the Orange pulled back within one possession at 67-64, the visitors forced a bad shot from Bueckers, grabbed the rebound and pushed the ball up the court. Fair got it and — with UConn still trying to set up its defense — tried to attack the rim. She got past Bueckers but Shade stepped up and stripped the ball.
“I was just like, ‘Thank you!’ Shade said about the steal. “I know she was coming down here to score… Whatever happens, happens but I gotta be ready.”
That she was. After Shade knocked it out, Bueckers jumped on the loose ball and called timeout to secure possession for the Huskies with 50.0 left. Considering how much time they could drain off, one more basket would likely be enough to get the win.
With that on the line, everyone in the building expected Bueckers to take the all-important shot — Syracuse included. After all, she was basically the only UConn player to touch the ball on the two previous trips up the floor.
So as the shot clock wound down to 10, the Orange triple-teamed Bueckers at the top of the arc — and left KK Arnold wide open on the wing. Bueckers found the freshman, who pulled up for a 3-pointer without hesitation.
“You're standing over there all by yourself and the best player in the country is getting double teamed and she goes ‘Here KK, knock this in,’” Geno Auriemma said. “That's gotta make you feel like a million bucks, right?”
Arnold let it fly with 30 seconds left.
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“I knew getting her the ball was the right play,” Bueckers added. ....
After the triple team, the other two Syracuse players were following Shade. She had thoroughly earned their respect in this game.
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Post by swash on Mar 26, 2024 15:25:55 GMT -5
There are no refs in golf. The game relies on the honesty of the players. In basketball there are refs. It is their job to determine the calls. A player trying to encourage a ref to make the "right" call is not cheating. Yes it is. Because they never want the right call made, they want the call that helps them or their team, and the truth is irrelevant. When was the last time a basketball player told a ref that they did run into a player and that the foul should have been called on them? Silly, right? The player would be benched by their coach for being honest. In most sports players are trained by coaches in how to miss-lead the rules officials and that in and of itself is cheating. This is what kids learn from sports; winning is everything and the ends justify the means. Was it freshman year I remember somewhat recently ... someone ... Aaliyah, maybe. There was an OOB call that went in UConn's favor and the other team was going bonkers and one of our players told the ref it was off her. Call changed. Game continued. Rare? Sure. But it can happen. To a lesser degree we certainly see players commit unintentionally hard fouls and immediately pick up the victim. We definitely see fouls called and a player nod their head and tell their teammates, "My bad." Even Nika, who we like to tease about "Never fouling", clearly acknowledged one or two last night.
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Post by BJ42 on Mar 26, 2024 16:48:08 GMT -5
There are no refs in golf. The game relies on the honesty of the players. In basketball there are refs. It is their job to determine the calls. A player trying to encourage a ref to make the "right" call is not cheating. Yes it is. Because they never want the right call made, they want the call that helps them or their team, and the truth is irrelevant. When was the last time a basketball player told a ref that they did run into a player and that the foul should have been called on them? Silly, right? The player would be benched by their coach for being honest. In most sports players are trained by coaches in how to miss-lead the rules officials and that in and of itself is cheating. T his is what kids learn from sports; winning is everything and the ends justify the means. And if you lose, the game was rigged.
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Post by pinotbear on Mar 26, 2024 16:50:28 GMT -5
Yes it is. Because they never want the right call made, they want the call that helps them or their team, and the truth is irrelevant. When was the last time a basketball player told a ref that they did run into a player and that the foul should have been called on them? Silly, right? The player would be benched by their coach for being honest. In most sports players are trained by coaches in how to miss-lead the rules officials and that in and of itself is cheating. T his is what kids learn from sports; winning is everything and the ends justify the means. And if you lose, the game was rigged. Even if you lose bigly!
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Post by yetanotherwilliams on Mar 26, 2024 23:08:19 GMT -5
With around 1:10 to go in the 3rd, Nika and Paige double Fair and knock the ball away. It clearly went off Paige's knee out of bounds. There's no possible way she didn't know that. And yet, she pointed toward her offensive basket, trying to convince the ref. to make the call go her way. And, if the ref had agreed with Paige and there wasn't instant replay, UConn would have had the ball when it shouldn't have. Everyone in the whole world does that, right? We all do. I sure do. Hmmmm..... what are the moral consequences of what we think is okay in sports? Golfers call penalties on themselves. There are cheats in golf but virtually all the people I played with called penalties on themselves. The morality message? Easy: Just win baby!! Sadly, two of our living ex-presidents are notorious for playing fast and loose with the rules of golf, not to mention women they weren't married to. Wonderful examples for our children and grand-children.
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Post by yetanotherwilliams on Mar 26, 2024 23:13:58 GMT -5
I think a real issue is a team sport. As they used to say about the Patriots, if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. You feel you've let others down when you haven't done everything possible for your side. Of course, the biggest sports cheating scandals right now are in chess, so there goes that theory. :-) High level bridge tournaments, including online competitions, have also been plagued by cheating controversies in recent years.
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Post by meyers7 on Mar 27, 2024 7:29:22 GMT -5
There are no refs in golf. The game relies on the honesty of the players. In basketball there are refs. It is their job to determine the calls. A player trying to encourage a ref to make the "right" call is not cheating. Yes it is. Because they never want the right call made, they want the call that helps them or their team, and the truth is irrelevant. When was the last time a basketball player told a ref that they did run into a player and that the foul should have been called on them? Silly, right? The player would be benched by their coach for being honest. In most sports players are trained by coaches in how to miss-lead the rules officials and that in and of itself is cheating. This is what kids learn from sports; winning is everything and the ends justify the means. Well technically, if you foul, you are cheating. You're going against the rules.
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Post by magic on Mar 27, 2024 7:58:02 GMT -5
After re watching game, Syracuse defense sent three players to quickly collapse on any ball entry into the zone. Neither Aaliyah or Ice were strong enough with the ball, or patient enough when they received it. Great defensive scheme and execution by Orange. Paige's ability to probe and attack ,but wait until the last possible instance to decide whether to shoot or pass depending upon the defensive collapse was just incredible. She has incredible PG skills.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 27, 2024 8:43:20 GMT -5
I think a real issue is a team sport. As they used to say about the Patriots, if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. You feel you've let others down when you haven't done everything possible for your side. Of course, the biggest sports cheating scandals right now are in chess, so there goes that theory. :-) High level bridge tournaments, including online competitions, have also been plagued by cheating controversies in recent years. Even since the infamous Italian Blue Team scandal a long time ago. Counting hearts by the number and direction of fingers holding a hand. Wish I had thought of that!
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