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Post by rockymtblue2 on Feb 21, 2024 11:06:10 GMT -5
The UN's Womens Rights Advocate has come out opposing Biden's Title IX changes to allow Trans athletes in women's sports. From the UN no less!
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Post by vtcwbuff on Feb 21, 2024 18:57:35 GMT -5
Too bad that most American women either support men competing in women's sports or they are just apathetic.
Related - Yesterday I saw a HS bball video where a 6' guy with facial hair took down a woman under the basket. She was injured. Her coach opted to forfeit the game rather than risk additional injuries to her team.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Feb 21, 2024 19:12:47 GMT -5
Too bad that most American women either support men competing in women's sports or they are just apathetic. Related - Yesterday I saw a HS bball video where a 6' guy with facial hair took down a woman under the basket. She was injured. Her coach opted to forfeit the game rather than risk additional injuries to her team. He injured 3 women players before the coach forfeited. The video is real cringe material. American women are asleep at the switch or Woke drugged. |
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Post by UConnChapette on Feb 22, 2024 8:35:08 GMT -5
Actually, this might be better off in Pickin' Bones, but we will let it ride here. For now.
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Post by huskyharper on Feb 22, 2024 17:20:31 GMT -5
I don't care if you want to be something other than your biology says you are, I'll call you by your preferred pronouns, no problem.
When it comes to competitive sports, I do have a problem with males pretending to be females. There is a reason we don't see women pretending to be men in competitive sports. They are at too much of a biological disadvantage. There are no drugs, no surgeries that will change this fundamental difference. The only ones who profit from claiming such are the pharmacutical (SP?) companies who sucker people into being customers of expensive drugs for life.
There are sports where men and women compete - I always use equestrian sports as that's what I know best, but there are others. In that case, the biology of the human involved does not define their level of ability, but their ability to mesh with their partner - in this case, a horse defines their competitive level. Canine Agility: another sport in which men and women compete. Again, it's predicated on how well you and your dog communicate and how quick you (the reason I'm horrible at it!) and your dog are. (my dog is really really quick, but he waits for me...)
IMHO, body dysmorphia is a real and difficult disease. Like most diseases of this sort, it is probably not "curable," one will always have to "deal" with it. My heart goes out to those who struggle with all mental health issues.
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Post by UConnChapette on Feb 22, 2024 17:30:23 GMT -5
I don't care if you want to be something other than your biology says you are, I'll call you by your preferred pronouns, no problem. When it comes to competitive sports, I do have a problem with males pretending to be females. There is a reason we don't see women pretending to be men in competitive sports. They are at too much of a biological disadvantage. There are no drugs, no surgeries that will change this fundamental difference. The only ones who profit from claiming such are the pharmacutical (SP?) companies who sucker people into being customers of expensive drugs for life. There are sports where men and women compete - I always use equestrian sports as that's what I know best, but there are others. In that case, the biology of the human involved does not define their level of ability, but their ability to mesh with their partner - in this case, a horse defines their competitive level. Canine Agility: another sport in which men and women compete. Again, it's predicated on how well you and your dog communicate and how quick you (the reason I'm horrible at it!) and your dog are. (my dog is really really quick, but he waits for me...) IMHO, body dysmorphia is a real and difficult disease. Like most diseases of this sort, it is probably not "curable," one will always have to "deal" with it. My heart goes out to those who struggle with all mental health issues. There was a story on the news this week about a young woman who plays on the boys high school basketballteam and is a team captain. Here in CT. I do not disagree that assigned male at birth persons are inherently stronger and faster than assigned female at birth, but I if AMAB shouldn’t be allowed to play on female teams how is it okay for AFAB to play on male teams. Equality should be just that. Equality. |
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Post by huskyharper on Feb 22, 2024 18:22:50 GMT -5
I don't care if you want to be something other than your biology says you are, I'll call you by your preferred pronouns, no problem. When it comes to competitive sports, I do have a problem with males pretending to be females. There is a reason we don't see women pretending to be men in competitive sports. They are at too much of a biological disadvantage. There are no drugs, no surgeries that will change this fundamental difference. The only ones who profit from claiming such are the pharmacutical (SP?) companies who sucker people into being customers of expensive drugs for life. There are sports where men and women compete - I always use equestrian sports as that's what I know best, but there are others. In that case, the biology of the human involved does not define their level of ability, but their ability to mesh with their partner - in this case, a horse defines their competitive level. Canine Agility: another sport in which men and women compete. Again, it's predicated on how well you and your dog communicate and how quick you (the reason I'm horrible at it!) and your dog are. (my dog is really really quick, but he waits for me...) IMHO, body dysmorphia is a real and difficult disease. Like most diseases of this sort, it is probably not "curable," one will always have to "deal" with it. My heart goes out to those who struggle with all mental health issues. There was a story on the news this week about a young woman who plays on the boys high school basketballteam and is a team captain. Here in CT. I do not disagree that assigned male at birth persons are inherently stronger and faster than assigned female at birth, but I if AMAB shouldn’t be allowed to play on female teams how is it okay for AFAB to play on male teams. Equality should be just that. Equality. how is it okay for AFAB to play on male teams It isn't, although this must be extremely rare.
In this case, Deep River disbanded their girls team and this girl, a senior, made the team. I wish her luck, but again I don't think it's a good idea. She could be very badly injured in a "basketball play" made by a stronger boy. In her case, she didn't have another choice if she wanted to play. She will also be playing in college, on the women's team, I assume.
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Post by knightsbridgeaz on Feb 22, 2024 18:29:05 GMT -5
As always, its complicated. On the one hand, it seems simple, just require folks to play in their sex at birth teams. Folks who disagree point out that this isn't fair to the transgender folks (arguably true) but often refuse to acknowledge this isn't fair to the players who are not transgender (as is obvious from a pretty fair number of examples).
I've said all along that I don't have any answer. If you take transgender female that is also a trained male at birth athlete and there is a likely unfair advantage. For other transgender individuals, who were not great athletes to begin with, they are not going to suddenly dominate women's sports - at least that's what the articles I see "seem" to show, and in some cases it does appear to depend on when they transitioned. On the other hand, there are all the locker room issues even in that situation.
Hopefully there is some sort of solution at the end of the tunnel. Just to begin with, in the referenced video, how is that not a held ball? or foul? I have seen a similar play between 2 females. There was definitely something called.
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Post by vtcwbuff on Feb 22, 2024 19:31:05 GMT -5
It is not complicated. If a female is athletically capable of competing on a male team (I just watched a video of a female quarterback playing on a HS team) then she should be allowed to compete. She does not have the genetic physical advantage that most male athletes have over females.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Feb 23, 2024 16:58:56 GMT -5
vtcwbuff I see a problem. The guys will "pull their punches", not wanting to be the guy who picked on the gal. You see this in military training exercises - another real dumb place for women. It's real simple: women to the left, men to the right.
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Post by vtcwbuff on Feb 23, 2024 19:14:24 GMT -5
vtcwbuff I see a problem. The guys will "pull their punches", not wanting to be the guy who picked on the gal. You see this in military training exercises - another real dumb place for women. It's real simple: women to the left, men to the right. I am an absolute supporter of women in the military for several reasons. Primarily because today's military needs women. Not enough men are willing to serve.
I watched a training video a few weeks back. It was Marine recruits doing the pugil stick thing. A female marine vs a male marine. The male probably had 40 lbs on her. It was no contest. She was down and being pummeled in no time. The male marine destroyed her in just a couple of seconds. Trust me - no punches were pulled. I gave her much credit for having the bells to stand in when she knew she was about to get her ass kicked.
That said, I had a female sailor that worked for me, and a couple of the males in my division asked that they not be assigned to work with her. She was 6'3" and tough as nails and they were embarrassed because she was stronger than them (she could climb a mast faster and carrying a bigger load) and the rest of the crew were calling them wussies. Naturally, I assigned them to work with her at every opportunity.  |
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Post by meyers7 on Feb 28, 2024 9:10:17 GMT -5
Just thought I'd throw in with my thoughts to address a couple things in this thread (instead of individually). Probably not worth $.01 let alone $.02. But anyway.
IF there are boys and girls teams for a sport, then they should play with their sex/gender. If there isn't both a male and female team, then it's only fair that they have the opportunity to play the sport (to a degree). In our school, we have a boy who plays field hockey (why anyone would want to, I don't understand, but...). 2nd boy to do this that I know of. We've also had girls who wrestled (with boys), however now there are enough girls wrestling that most all of their matches are against other girls.
I don't agree with a girl playing on a boys team if there is a girls team available. She has the opportunity to play without taking a spot away from another boy. However, if say only 7 boys tried out for a basketball team, then sure you can add in a girl.
Having a boy play in a girls sport though, depends on the sport. 1st it has to be a sport where there is no other option (i.e. no boys team). 2nd depends on the amount of physicality of the sport. Can/will the boy endanger the safety of the girls? Similar to having a SR playing on a FR team.
As for a girl playing on a boys team, the girl is the one who could be at a safety risk. But, it's her safety and if she is willing to take the risk, then that's on her. That's not completely true either. It is also on the coach to try and keep the kids as safe as possible. IF a kid really can't compete at a level, for safety reasons, then the coach shouldn't let them. That's actually in the coaches training we go through. (at HS level that is)
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Post by vtcwbuff on Feb 28, 2024 17:43:10 GMT -5
'Having a boy play in a girls sport though, depends on the sport."
What about swimming, track, golf, softball, and a bunch of other sports where men have an unfair advantage based on biology? I recently saw a video where a pro male ranked tennis player (197th?) absolutely destroy a pro female ranked player (57th). Here's Serena Williams (arguably the best female tennis player ever) where she discusses how well she would do against males pros.
Injuries aside, no one ever mentions the women that are cheated out of recognition for their efforts and commitment to their sport simply because some people are convinced that being inclusive trumps fairness.
What would your opinion be if some desperate WCBB coach recruited a 6'9", 250# delusional male to play on their team?
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Post by meyers7 on Mar 2, 2024 9:26:54 GMT -5
'Having a boy play in a girls sport though, depends on the sport."
What about swimming, track, golf, softball, and a bunch of other sports where men have an unfair advantage based on biology? I recently saw a video where a pro male ranked tennis player (197th?) absolutely destroy a pro female ranked player (57th). Here's Serena Williams (arguably the best female tennis player ever) where she discusses how well she would do against males pros.
Injuries aside, no one ever mentions the women that are cheated out of recognition for their efforts and commitment to their sport simply because some people are convinced that being inclusive trumps fairness.
What would your opinion be if some desperate WCBB coach recruited a 6'9", 250# delusional male to play on their team?
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