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Post by mdoggie on Dec 1, 2023 16:17:20 GMT -5
Time to cut bait.
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Post by rukia on Dec 1, 2023 16:30:09 GMT -5
I don’t think this massively changes anything about our approach to this game.
At some point this season, she should probably consider redshirting. It is amazing she is a junior instead of a sophomore given the number of games she has missed.
And I think transferring could make sense too. I got a message from ESPN on my phone that she was out. I got a bunch of these last year. Her health is really scrutinized because she is at UConn. If she was at Boston or UMass for example; she could quietly deal with her health/injuries. And that may be preferable for her moving forward. That is a basketball and a health decision.
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Post by bulkey on Dec 1, 2023 17:09:11 GMT -5
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Post by bulkey on Dec 1, 2023 17:11:39 GMT -5
I don’t think this massively changes anything about our approach to this game. At some point this season, she should probably consider redshirting. It is amazing she is a junior instead of a sophomore given the number of games she has missed. And I think transferring could make sense too. I got a message from ESPN on my phone that she was out. I got a bunch of these last year. Her health is really scrutinized because she is at UConn. If she was at Boston or UMass for example; she could quietly deal with her health/injuries. And that may be preferable for her moving forward. That is a basketball and a health decision. She can't redshirt and she definitely shouldn't transfer. Why go somewhere elsewhere? She gets great medicine where she is. We love our Caroline. She's team forever for us. Her happiness--and she seems really happy at UConn--is what matters. If all she does is sit on the bench for 2 years and cheers on the team, that's what it'll be. |
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Post by bulkey on Dec 1, 2023 17:20:19 GMT -5
Folks--I'm not accusing anyone--but just to try to get ahead of frustrations. We offer scholarships for 4 years. No one has tried harder than Caroline. It's not her fault: she's given everything to the team. She's a student athlete. If she wants to graduate with a UConn degree--and I sure hope she does--than that's what we want for her, too. It would be horrifying if Caroline were somehow influenced to leave just because it would open up a position on the team.
If folks want to discuss that particular issue regarding Caroline or anyone on the team, then please take it to pickin' bones. I don't want anything on this more public board that expresses sentiments like that.
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Post by rukia on Dec 1, 2023 17:39:39 GMT -5
The only thing I am going to question you on is redshirting. Caroline has only played three games this season. What do you mean she can’t redshirt? Are you saying you don’t want her to redshirt? Or is there some technical reason she doesn’t qualify for the redshirt?
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Post by vtcwbuff on Dec 1, 2023 17:41:51 GMT -5
Folks--I'm not accusing anyone--but just to try to get ahead of frustrations. We offer scholarships for 4 years. No one has tried harder than Caroline. It's not her fault: she's given everything to the team. She's a student athlete. If she wants to graduate with a UConn degree--and I sure hope she does--than that's what we want for her, too. It would be horrifying if Caroline were somehow influenced to leave just because it would open up a position on the team. If folks want to discuss that particular issue regarding Caroline or anyone on the team, then please take it to pickin' bones. I don't want anything on this more public board that expresses sentiments like that. I read the "time to cut bait" post as directed at those team members that aren't getting it done. Any comments that I have read about her leaving the team were about concerns for her health. |
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Post by bulkey on Dec 1, 2023 18:26:49 GMT -5
The only thing I am going to question you on is redshirting. Caroline has only played three games this season. What do you mean she can’t redshirt? Are you saying you don’t want her to redshirt? Or is there some technical reason she doesn’t qualify for the redshirt? I think she needs to apply for it at this point, right? swash is usually our redshirting authority.... But it's not the obvious catastrophic injury that, say, Azzi has. It's her own day-to-day decision about playing. What's stopping anyone reporting the same and appealing for an extra year? I just get the sense that this is outside the boundaries of that category. |
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Post by mdoggie on Dec 1, 2023 18:29:04 GMT -5
Move on from her as a contributing (player) on the team not as a person or student. Health concerns. This seems to be a chronic problem. No, Im not a doctor. |
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Post by rukia on Dec 1, 2023 18:33:38 GMT -5
The only thing I am going to question you on is redshirting. Caroline has only played three games this season. What do you mean she can’t redshirt? Are you saying you don’t want her to redshirt? Or is there some technical reason she doesn’t qualify for the redshirt? I think she needs to apply for it at this point, right? swash is usually our redshirting authority.... But it's not the obvious catastrophic injury that, say, Azzi has. It's her own day-to-day decision about playing. What's stopping anyone reporting the same and appealing for an extra year? I just get the sense that this is outside the boundaries of that category. well again. I think she should be a sophomore based on the first two seasons. I think she put the team first at times (especially during her freshman season). Does she want to be 75% and play three games and then miss three games and then come back and just constantly repeat that cycle? Or is there an option to ever get to 100% and protect her eligibility? |
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Post by bulkey on Dec 1, 2023 18:35:11 GMT -5
Move on from her as a contributing (player) on the team not as a person or student. Health concerns. This seems to be a chronic problem. No, Im not a doctor. I'd agree that we probably shouldn't be counting on her at this point. If she does manage to play, we can take that as pure profit. I feel so badly. Her whole life has changed because of that.... |
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Post by bulkey on Dec 1, 2023 18:37:37 GMT -5
I think she needs to apply for it at this point, right? swash is usually our redshirting authority.... But it's not the obvious catastrophic injury that, say, Azzi has. It's her own day-to-day decision about playing. What's stopping anyone reporting the same and appealing for an extra year? I just get the sense that this is outside the boundaries of that category. well again. I think she should be a sophomore based on the first two seasons. I think she put the team first at times (especially during her freshman season). Does she want to be 75% and play three games and then miss three games and then come back and just constantly repeat that cycle? Or is there an option to ever get to 100% and protect her eligibility? agreed: it's a good question. If I were in her shoes, I'd be thinking that a pro career is highly unlikely. I'd want to learn as much about basketball as I can over the next two years and then go into some aspect of it, eventually coaching. She and her sister ran a basketball camp 2 summers ago. So, I'm just thinking that she would want to be around the game. But that's pure speculation of course. |
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Post by rukia on Dec 1, 2023 18:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by zoney on Dec 1, 2023 19:39:20 GMT -5
Caroline - I feel so bad for her...........I hope she hangs in there!
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Post by huskyharper on Dec 1, 2023 19:44:16 GMT -5
Heartbreak. I go back mentally two years, and we the fans couldn't scream her name or initials loud enough. How many games did she "save" before that first dratted concussion? How we looked forward to her on one wing, Azzi on the other and raining 3s from all corners of the court.
Now I just hope and pray that she will one day be able to play again, freely.
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Post by BJ42 on Dec 1, 2023 19:46:00 GMT -5
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Post by bulkey on Dec 1, 2023 19:50:46 GMT -5
Thanks. Of course you're right about scholarships technically. I guess I had in mind the commitment that virtually all top and decent coaches make to their players. There are football coaches who cut scholarship players, but I don't know anyone in WCBB who has done it. As to the redshirting site, I remain confused. Here is what it says: Suffer an injury that is deemed “season-ending”
But who determines whether it's “season-ending”? As I said, it's easy with a catastrophic injury requiring surgery. But Caroline continues to try to play. That establishes a baseline: that on good days she can play. So, is her injury "season-ending" medically or by player volition? I dunno. |
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Post by BJ42 on Dec 1, 2023 20:19:30 GMT -5
Thanks. Of course you're right about scholarships technically. I guess I had in mind the commitment that virtually all top and decent coaches make to their players. There are football coaches who cut scholarship players, but I don't know anyone in WCBB who has done it. As to the redshirting site, I remain confused. Here is what it says: Suffer an injury that is deemed “season-ending”
But who determines whether it's “season-ending”? As I said, it's easy with a catastrophic injury requiring surgery. But Caroline continues to try to play. That establishes a baseline: that on good days she can play. So, is her injury "season-ending" medically or by player volition? I dunno. 1) I'd say there's an implied commitment but certainly not a verbal or written one. 2) The medical staff of the school. If Ducharme stops playing now and doesn't play again this season along with the medical staff deeming the injury season ending, then the waiver application after the season should be adequate. Same as the process Fudd will do. |
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Post by bulkey on Dec 1, 2023 20:36:26 GMT -5
Thanks. Of course you're right about scholarships technically. I guess I had in mind the commitment that virtually all top and decent coaches make to their players. There are football coaches who cut scholarship players, but I don't know anyone in WCBB who has done it. As to the redshirting site, I remain confused. Here is what it says: Suffer an injury that is deemed “season-ending”
But who determines whether it's “season-ending”? As I said, it's easy with a catastrophic injury requiring surgery. But Caroline continues to try to play. That establishes a baseline: that on good days she can play. So, is her injury "season-ending" medically or by player volition? I dunno. 1) I'd say there's an implied commitment but certainly not a verbal or written one. 2) The medical staff of the school. If Ducharme stops playing now and doesn't play again this season along with the medical staff deeming the injury season ending, then the waiver application after the season should be adequate. Same as the process Fudd will do. I'm certainly not arguing, but just exploring. If all it takes is for a medical staff to declare this, then there is huge room for abuse. If I were the NCAA, I'd have a medical board confirming the school's diagnosis. Be that as it may, it doesn't seem likely she's going in that direction. My bet is that she does the best she can over the next two years and graduates in May 2025. |
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Post by BJ42 on Dec 1, 2023 20:46:26 GMT -5
1) I'd say there's an implied commitment but certainly not a verbal or written one. 2) The medical staff of the school. If Ducharme stops playing now and doesn't play again this season along with the medical staff deeming the injury season ending, then the waiver application after the season should be adequate. Same as the process Fudd will do. I'm certainly not arguing, but just exploring. If all it takes is for a medical staff to declare this, then there is huge room for abuse. If I were the NCAA, I'd have a medical board confirming the school's diagnosis. Be that as it may, it doesn't seem likely she's going in that direction. My bet is that she does the best she can over the next two years and graduates in May 2025. There's probably a process like this but the original diagnosis of the injury being season ending begins with the UConn medical staff. |
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Post by UConnChapette on Dec 1, 2023 21:35:45 GMT -5
Anybody remember Jamie Carey? She had concussions and Stanford doctors wouldn’t clear her to play. She transferred to Texas after their medical staff reviewed her records and said she could play. I know there is more to her situation ( a family member’s suicide and depression) and I don’t know if she had neck spasms, which seems like is Caroline’s problem right now. But Jamie went on to play in the WNBA.
I just want her to be able to play happy and pain free. If we have to wait for next season, it is understandable.
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Post by ursusminor on Dec 2, 2023 0:51:49 GMT -5
Anybody remember Jamie Carey? She had concussions and Stanford doctors wouldn’t clear her to play. She transferred to Texas after their medical staff reviewed her records and said she could play. I know there is more to her situation ( a family member’s suicide and depression) and I don’t know if she had neck spasms, which seems like is Caroline’s problem right now. But Jamie went on to play in the WNBA. I just want her to be able to play happy and pain free. If we have to wait for next season, it is understandable. I do remember that, and I remember thinking that Texas was incredibly irresponsible with a young person's brain. And that was before concerns about CTE became widely publicized. |
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Post by huskyharper on Dec 2, 2023 20:02:15 GMT -5
Anybody remember Jamie Carey? She had concussions and Stanford doctors wouldn’t clear her to play. She transferred to Texas after their medical staff reviewed her records and said she could play. I know there is more to her situation ( a family member’s suicide and depression) and I don’t know if she had neck spasms, which seems like is Caroline’s problem right now. But Jamie went on to play in the WNBA. I just want her to be able to play happy and pain free. If we have to wait for next season, it is understandable. I do remember that, and I remember thinking that Texas was incredibly irresponsible with a young person's brain. And that was before concerns about CTE became widely publicized. I remember that, too.Same thoughts. She did not play long in the W, and I believe the concussion issue was part of that. Regarding scholarship, who else remembers the "K" In the TASSK force? Kirsten played one (!) Year and was carried, on scholarship until she graduated. That's how Geno rolls. He made a commitment, Kirsten made a commitment and thru no one's fault, injuries precluded her playing. She is still and always a husky. |
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Post by phil on Dec 2, 2023 21:42:32 GMT -5
Kirsten was awesome. I remember thinking she was better than Bird, but I'm talking about freshman Bird, not later Bird
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