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Post by UConnChapette on Nov 10, 2021 19:25:57 GMT -5
Looks like Southern Illinois isn't going to just roll over because they are playing the mighty Vols.
So far each of the games in progress are close at the end of the first quarter:
#8 Indiana - 17 Butler -13 (Go Big East!)
#15 Tennessee - 12 Southern Illinois - 11
#17 Ohio State 20 Bucknell - 14
Yes, it is still early in every game. But the underdogs are, so for, holding their own.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 20:02:33 GMT -5
Looks like Southern Illinois isn't going to just roll over because they are playing the mighty Vols. So far each of the games in progress are close at the end of the first quarter: #8 Indiana - 17 Butler -13 ( Go Big East!) #15 Tennessee - 12 Southern Illinois - 11 #17 Ohio State 20 Bucknell - 14 Yes, it is still early in every game. But the underdogs are, so for, holding their own. It's halftime @ Tennessee where # 126 Southern Illinois, who took a 6+ hour bus ride to the game, leads 30 - 27; and the Lady Vols look like a Holly Warlock mis-coached team? www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401375909
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Post by bulkey on Nov 10, 2021 20:15:54 GMT -5
OMG Southern Illinois is leading! . Watching it on SEC network.... Looks like around 1500 at the game. maybe less.
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Post by bulkey on Nov 10, 2021 20:22:59 GMT -5
Tennessee Board is in such pain. I feel sooooo badly. TAKE OFF THE FAKE NAILS ALREADY...
I certainly hope this is our worst-played game of the season since I can't even wrap my head around what a worse game would look like. If we do manage to win this heinous contest,I'll be lighting a candle for the basketball gods. Maybe ten of them.
We are awful and not the least bit prepared.
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Post by bulkey on Nov 10, 2021 20:39:35 GMT -5
Impossible to understand how this team almost beat UConn last year. We should be able to beat these guys by 40.
Tenn pulling ahead...finally.
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Post by linkster on Nov 10, 2021 21:04:22 GMT -5
Tenn has had a long history of playing crappy and then pulling it out at the end, much like tonight. This happens most often when the opponent is less than stellar. They had a couple of players hurt but there's no excuse for sloppy play after 6 weeks of practice.
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Post by phil on Nov 10, 2021 21:04:57 GMT -5
Can we hear again how good TN is based upon their exhibition game?
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Post by linkster on Nov 10, 2021 21:17:19 GMT -5
Arkansas leads Tarleton 50-17 in the 3rd. Same Arkansas as last year, small and quick. The Arkansas announcer: "They aren't flying all that way for milk and cookies". They'll be leaving their cookies in Hartford.
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Post by doggydaddy on Nov 11, 2021 7:43:45 GMT -5
Tennessee’s best player and preseason mention in many of the Top 20 lists Rae Burrell hurt her knee at the end of the first half.
She tried to stand on it but went right back down to the floor. She had to be helped to to locker room and never came back to the bench. I beleive she was taken right to the hospital for testing.
I watched the play several times. It was clear she did something to her knee on landing after a drive to the basket. It was that same sickening wobble you see when it’s a non-contact injury. If you can read lips, she told the trainer she heard a pop.
I would be shocked and happy if it was just a sprain. But sadly, it looked to me like an ACL tear terrible for her and devastating for Tennessee.
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Post by bulkey on Nov 11, 2021 8:23:53 GMT -5
Tennessee’s best player and preseason mention in many of the Top 20 lists Rae Burrell hurt her knee at the end of the first half. She tried to stand on it but went right back down to the floor. She had to be helped to to locker room and never came back to the bench. I beleive she was taken right to the hospital for testing. I watched the play several times. It was clear she did something to her knee on landing after a drive to the basket. It was that same sickening wobble you see when it’s a non-contact injury. If you can read lips, she told the trainer she heard a pop. I would be shocked and happy if it was just a sprain. But sadly, it looked to me like an ACL tear terrible for her and devastating for Tennessee. Thanks for this, DD. I didn't watch the first half and missed this (watched the 2nd half with sound off, so unaware, too). I'm seeing that concern on the most recent Tenn posts. As they say, not only might she miss the rest of the season, but it would hurt her in the WNBA draft. Just terrible.
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Post by swash on Nov 11, 2021 9:00:19 GMT -5
Tennessee’s best player and preseason mention in many of the Top 20 lists Rae Burrell hurt her knee at the end of the first half. She tried to stand on it but went right back down to the floor. She had to be helped to to locker room and never came back to the bench. I beleive she was taken right to the hospital for testing. I watched the play several times. It was clear she did something to her knee on landing after a drive to the basket. It was that same sickening wobble you see when it’s a non-contact injury. If you can read lips, she told the trainer she heard a pop. I would be shocked and happy if it was just a sprain. But sadly, it looked to me like an ACL tear terrible for her and devastating for Tennessee. I know the Vols are your favorite team to loathe, DD. I appreciate your concern for a kid who just happened to follow an unfortunate recruiting path. I hope it turns out to be nothing. I blew out my ACL over 30 years ago, and I still cannot watch replays of knee injuries.
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Post by UConnChapette on Nov 11, 2021 9:42:25 GMT -5
Tennessee’s best player and preseason mention in many of the Top 20 lists Rae Burrell hurt her knee at the end of the first half. She tried to stand on it but went right back down to the floor. She had to be helped to to locker room and never came back to the bench. I beleive she was taken right to the hospital for testing. I watched the play several times. It was clear she did something to her knee on landing after a drive to the basket. It was that same sickening wobble you see when it’s a non-contact injury. If you can read lips, she told the trainer she heard a pop. I would be shocked and happy if it was just a sprain. But sadly, it looked to me like an ACL tear terrible for her and devastating for Tennessee. Much as I dislike the Tennessee program, I take no joy in any injury of any kind to individual players. Hoping Rae is not badly hurt and can come back to play again this season. This would be a devastating loss for Tennessee, no question. Let's hope it isn't as bad as it sounds.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 10:04:04 GMT -5
Can we hear again how good TN is based upon their exhibition game? They were so good that the statue of Pat was reportedly crying tears of joy as Couch Jumper hopped over the moon with a cow....
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Post by phil on Nov 11, 2021 12:27:11 GMT -5
Sure this will be said to many times but Alexis is to die for. I confess I hadn't heard of this transfer from Troy, but she was very impressive, playing a key role in the win. Speaking of key roles, Key did not play a big part of the game mostly due to early fouls, although she did have some important rebounds and blocks late in the game.
Southern Illinois next to it the easiest way out she will ever see. I'm almost happy that they ended up losing by double digits, because they might not of been able to live with themselves if they lost by two or three points. One was almost understandable — player currently drive to the basket and I assume that was a defensive lapse and she had an open run to the basket, but we've seen this before; sometimes players are so open they miss the shot. The second was less forgivable, a player leaked out and received a long pass with plenty of time to make an easy layup.
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Post by chicagogg on Nov 11, 2021 12:53:41 GMT -5
Sure this will be said to many times but Alexis is to die for. I confess I hadn't heard of this transfer from Troy, but she was very impressive, playing a key role in the win. Speaking of key roles, Key did not play a big part of the game mostly due to early fouls, although she did have some important rebounds and blocks late in the game. Southern Illinois next to it the easiest way out she will ever see. I'm almost happy that they ended up losing by double digits, because they might not of been able to live with themselves if they lost by two or three points. One was almost understandable — player currently drive to the basket and I assume that was a defensive lapse and she had an open run to the basket, but we've seen this before; sometimes players are so open they miss the shot. The second was less forgivable, a player leaked out and received a long pass with plenty of time to make an easy layup. Thanks for always being the voice of reason, Phil! Thanks for the info.
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Post by phil on Nov 11, 2021 12:59:15 GMT -5
I remember when Rae Burrell sustained that injury. It seemed clear at the time that she didn't plan quite right. I did miss the discussion between her and the trainer, but I was watching it on delay and must've fast forwarded through that portion. I knew she didn't return the second half which is not a good sign. I looked at today's news reports but have not seen an update yet. I'm hoping it's just a sprain, anyone who watched the game saw how much she meant to the team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 13:15:40 GMT -5
Tennessee’s best player and preseason mention in many of the Top 20 lists Rae Burrell hurt her knee at the end of the first half. She tried to stand on it but went right back down to the floor. She had to be helped to to locker room and never came back to the bench. I beleive she was taken right to the hospital for testing. I watched the play several times. It was clear she did something to her knee on landing after a drive to the basket. It was that same sickening wobble you see when it’s a non-contact injury. If you can read lips, she told the trainer she heard a pop. I would be shocked and happy if it was just a sprain. But sadly, it looked to me like an ACL tear terrible for her and devastating for Tennessee. I know the Vols are your favorite team to loathe, DD. I appreciate your concern for a kid who just happened to follow an unfortunate recruiting path. I hope it turns out to be nothing. I blew out my ACL over 30 years ago, and I still cannot watch replays of knee injuries. I was also watching the game and my disdain for UT and the tenacious S. Illinois players gave me hope UT would lose the game! At first I thought Burrell bumped her knee, but after seeing the replays it was looking worse as DD stated! I hope she gets well soon, but I also hope the team stinks it up this season! Their best player might just be the Troy transfer, Alexus Dye!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 13:17:06 GMT -5
I remember when Rae Burrell sustained that injury. It seemed clear at the time that she didn't plan quite right. I did miss the discussion between her and the trainer, but I was watching it on delay and must've fast forwarded through that portion. I knew she didn't return the second half which is not a good sign. I looked at today's news reports but have not seen an update yet. I'm hoping it's just a sprain, anyone who watched the game saw how much she meant to the team. I saw somewhere that their coach said Rae would undergo some tests today??
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Post by phil on Nov 11, 2021 13:18:53 GMT -5
Looks like around 1500 at the game. maybe less. The box score says 5900, which is probably decent for a lot of programs but definitely not up to their standards.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 13:21:23 GMT -5
Sure this will be said to many times but Alexis is to die for. I confess I hadn't heard of this transfer from Troy, but she was very impressive, playing a key role in the win. Speaking of key roles, Key did not play a big part of the game mostly due to early fouls, although she did have some important rebounds and blocks late in the game. Southern Illinois next to it the easiest way out she will ever see. I'm almost happy that they ended up losing by double digits, because they might not of been able to live with themselves if they lost by two or three points. One was almost understandable — player currently drive to the basket and I assume that was a defensive lapse and she had an open run to the basket, but we've seen this before; sometimes players are so open they miss the shot. The second was less forgivable, a player leaked out and received a long pass with plenty of time to make an easy layup. I think Dye played one season of junior college and then at Troy? During the first round of the NCAA Tournament last season, she scored 26 points against Texas A&M; nearly causing the upset! 3 lousy calls during the final 2 minutes gave the game to A&M!! She's really good and might just be their best player this season!
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Post by bulkey on Nov 11, 2021 15:16:45 GMT -5
Looks like around 1500 at the game. maybe less. The box score says 5900, which is probably decent for a lot of programs but definitely not up to their standards. I was guessing from all the empty seats around the court. I didn't get a global shot of the arena when I wrote that. But there seemed to be such lethargy....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 16:27:07 GMT -5
Can we hear again how good TN is based upon their exhibition game? This is one small snippet of what Tennessee looked like last night:
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Post by linkster on Nov 11, 2021 19:24:13 GMT -5
Watching a stream of Morgan St at Stanford. They might as well be still playing in Vegas. There are not even 200 fans in Maples. You'd think there was a COVID quarantine in Palo Alto.
This should be shown to recruits.
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Post by bulkey on Nov 11, 2021 21:18:12 GMT -5
Watching a stream of Morgan St at Stanford. They might as well be still playing in Vegas. There are not even 200 fans in Maples. You'd think there was a COVID quarantine in Palo Alto. This should be shown to recruits. Stanford doesn't draw in any sports. Kids are too busy taking their start-ups public.
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Post by phil on Nov 12, 2021 9:38:47 GMT -5
ESPN reports 2696.
However: A couple comments about attendance.
I used to pay a fair bit of attention to attendance, monitoring the annual numbers reported by the NCAA although I've not followed it as closely recently. (Obviously, Covid threw a wrench into attendance.)
I've also attended a wide variety of venues and sometimes take note of the attendance. An arena that is mostly empty often holds a few more people than one might guess. I've been in some arenas that looked almost empty. Before counting, my gut said there were a couple dozen people in the stands. Then I'd start counting and get to a couple hundred and realize that appearances can be deceiving.
There is also a curious artifact of the way that tickets are normally allocated. This is something I think the school should address, but I haven't seen any interest in solving the problem. Curiously, Uconn is one of the more egregious examples of this odd phenomenon. The cameras understandably focus on the play on the court, but pick up shots of the crowd naturally. However, other than the relatively rare deliberate pans of the crowd, TV shots rarely cover a substantial portion of the crowd.
There are two main shots — a shot of the home team huddling, where you can see the bench players and the crowd immediately behind the bench, and a shot of the visiting team, with the crowd behind them. Many schools, UConn included, reserve a block of seats immediately behind the visitors bench for visitors who travel. In many cases, the number of seats reserved far exceeds the number of fans who show up. Obviously, when we are talking about teams like South Carolina, there will be a full section. For many teams, it is only a handful of fans willing to travel (or who happen to live in Connecticut) who take advantage of the seats. As a result, the TV shot shows a lot of empty seats when ever they cut to the visitors bench. (Fort Hays State had a decent contingent.)
This can mean that the arena is 95% full, while TV shots are showing a block of empty seats on a regular basis. (I don't want to get too far off topic but I've advocated that the school should have the right to move people into those seats if they aren't filled a few minutes after tipoff if only for the visual.)
A second reason depends on how the venue reports attendance. This two main ways a school can report. They can report tickets "sold" (in quotes because some schools engage in giveaways) or they can use the turnstile count. A defense can be made of both practices. If you want to measure support for your team, someone who buys a ticket but has a scheduling conflict and can't show up, arguably counts as a measure of support. That's a justification for counting tickets distributed. You can also make the argument that you'd like to know many people are actually in the arena and that's an argument for the turnstile count.
The turnstile count is always less than or equal to the number of tickets distributed (ignoring the fact that a small handful of people such as arena staff are in the building but did not buy tickets). In many cases, the difference will be small but there are some situations where the difference can be considerable.
Back when Tennessee mattered, I spent some time looking into their attendance, because they were typically reporting the highest attendance in the country. They most certainly did have enormous support, but they also had a significant difference between the ticket count and turnstile. I have to give Tennessee credit for reporting both values. Very few schools do so. I'm not aware that UConn does so. In the case of UConn, I suspect that the difference is small. A season-ticket holder may not be able to make it to some game. However, in the case of Tennessee, my recollection is that the difference between ticket count and turnstile count was often 3000 or more. Why? Their administration actively tried to promote the game, which included outright giveaways of tickets, and sometimes two tickets for the price of one. Psychology and economics tell us that if you are given a ticket for free, you are less inclined to make sure you go to the event than if you actually paid for it. And even more obvious case is if someone offers you two tickets for the price of one, you probably are going to turn down the second even if you only want one, and maybe I'll give it to somebody else but maybe you will just not use it. (Don't get me wrong I applaud Tennessee's marketing, I'm just pointing out that it can lead to curious results.)
The difference of 3000 between tickets and turnstile applied to many games with the notable exception of UConn games. No one in Tennessee is going to miss the chance to see that game, so the difference between tickets and turnstile was considerably smaller in that game.
I have a vague recollection that Tennessee switched to reporting turnstile rather than ticket count, but when Tennessee faded from relevance, I stopped paying attention so I honestly do not know what their current practice is. Nor do I know what Stanford's practice is. The difference between the 2696 reported, and a fan's estimate of crowd size is definitely partially due to the first thing I talked about, but may also be a real difference if they are reporting tickets distributed rather than turnstile.
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