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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 10:48:09 GMT -5
Season and Her Hoops Stats explains:
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Post by bulkey on Nov 1, 2021 12:13:36 GMT -5
Putting that all together, Bueckers finished with 12.9 combined Win Shares which was best in the nation by a sizable margin. That number doesn’t quite reach the level of 2011-12 Brittney Griner, the highest Win Shares in our database, but how does it stack up against other freshmen?
It comes in at No. 2 among freshmen since 2009-10, trailing 2009-10 Elena Delle Donne and tying with 2011-12 Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis. Additionally, the players ranked No. 3 through No. 6 all reached their totals in at least three more games played than Bueckers.
Clark and Bueckers were only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to elite rookie production. Destinee Wells of Belmont and Lexi Fleming of Bowling Green State mostly flew under the radar despite putting up Win Share totals of 7.5 and 7.0 respectively. Both players amassed those solid totals thanks to strong stats across the board, from scoring and facilitating to rebounds and steals.
Fellow UConn rookie Aaliyah Edwards totaled 6.6 Win Shares despite coming off of the bench in 23 of her 29 games.
What's missing in the article is...why? Impressions are not evidentiary, but I certainly have the impression that women's high school ball has suddenly improved immensely. Is it the prospect of making money in college (NIL)--but isn't that too recent and unexpected? Is it just the momentum of the prospects of pro ball? Is it all the opportunities to play international and more competitive ball while still in high school? Does it have to do with a stronger sense of social freedom and purpose for girls/women?
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Nov 1, 2021 12:44:10 GMT -5
Illuminating read. Going to be an exciting year for WBB.
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Post by huskyharper on Nov 1, 2021 13:59:22 GMT -5
Putting that all together, Bueckers finished with 12.9 combined Win Shares which was best in the nation by a sizable margin. That number doesn’t quite reach the level of 2011-12 Brittney Griner, the highest Win Shares in our database, but how does it stack up against other freshmen?It comes in at No. 2 among freshmen since 2009-10, trailing 2009-10 Elena Delle Donne and tying with 2011-12 Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis. Additionally, the players ranked No. 3 through No. 6 all reached their totals in at least three more games played than Bueckers.Clark and Bueckers were only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to elite rookie production. Destinee Wells of Belmont and Lexi Fleming of Bowling Green State mostly flew under the radar despite putting up Win Share totals of 7.5 and 7.0 respectively. Both players amassed those solid totals thanks to strong stats across the board, from scoring and facilitating to rebounds and steals.Fellow UConn rookie Aaliyah Edwards totaled 6.6 Win Shares despite coming off of the bench in 23 of her 29 games.What's missing in the article is...why? Impressions are not evidentiary, but I certainly have the impression that women's high school ball has suddenly improved immensely. Is it the prospect of making money in college (NIL)--but isn't that too recent and unexpected? Is it just the momentum of the prospects of pro ball? Is it all the opportunities to play international and more competitive ball while still in high school? Does it have to do with a stronger sense of social freedom and purpose for girls/women?
I suspect this crush of excellent players coming out of HS is due to several factors. Not the least of which is title IX. The parents of these girls were the first/second generation to go through school with that dictum. It leveled the playing field somewhat, and encouraged girls/women to think of sports as acceptable as well as fun. With parents already indoctrinated to allowing/encouraging girls sports, those who play, love it and have some talent are allowed/encouraged to go as far as they can. Having a pro league, opportunities to play higher level ball and social acceptance have all added to it - IMHO. |
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Post by bulkey on Nov 1, 2021 14:59:56 GMT -5
Putting that all together, Bueckers finished with 12.9 combined Win Shares which was best in the nation by a sizable margin. That number doesn’t quite reach the level of 2011-12 Brittney Griner, the highest Win Shares in our database, but how does it stack up against other freshmen?It comes in at No. 2 among freshmen since 2009-10, trailing 2009-10 Elena Delle Donne and tying with 2011-12 Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis. Additionally, the players ranked No. 3 through No. 6 all reached their totals in at least three more games played than Bueckers.Clark and Bueckers were only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to elite rookie production. Destinee Wells of Belmont and Lexi Fleming of Bowling Green State mostly flew under the radar despite putting up Win Share totals of 7.5 and 7.0 respectively. Both players amassed those solid totals thanks to strong stats across the board, from scoring and facilitating to rebounds and steals.Fellow UConn rookie Aaliyah Edwards totaled 6.6 Win Shares despite coming off of the bench in 23 of her 29 games.What's missing in the article is...why? Impressions are not evidentiary, but I certainly have the impression that women's high school ball has suddenly improved immensely. Is it the prospect of making money in college (NIL)--but isn't that too recent and unexpected? Is it just the momentum of the prospects of pro ball? Is it all the opportunities to play international and more competitive ball while still in high school? Does it have to do with a stronger sense of social freedom and purpose for girls/women?
I suspect this crush of excellent players coming out of HS is due to several factors. Not the least of which is title IX. The parents of these girls were the first/second generation to go through school with that dictum. It leveled the playing field somewhat, and encouraged girls/women to think of sports as acceptable as well as fun. With parents already indoctrinated to allowing/encouraging girls sports, those who play, love it and have some talent are allowed/encouraged to go as far as they can. Having a pro league, opportunities to play higher level ball and social acceptance have all added to it - IMHO. |
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Post by swash on Nov 1, 2021 15:39:59 GMT -5
Putting that all together, Bueckers finished with 12.9 combined Win Shares which was best in the nation by a sizable margin. That number doesn’t quite reach the level of 2011-12 Brittney Griner, the highest Win Shares in our database, but how does it stack up against other freshmen?It comes in at No. 2 among freshmen since 2009-10, trailing 2009-10 Elena Delle Donne and tying with 2011-12 Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis. Additionally, the players ranked No. 3 through No. 6 all reached their totals in at least three more games played than Bueckers.Clark and Bueckers were only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to elite rookie production. Destinee Wells of Belmont and Lexi Fleming of Bowling Green State mostly flew under the radar despite putting up Win Share totals of 7.5 and 7.0 respectively. Both players amassed those solid totals thanks to strong stats across the board, from scoring and facilitating to rebounds and steals.Fellow UConn rookie Aaliyah Edwards totaled 6.6 Win Shares despite coming off of the bench in 23 of her 29 games.What's missing in the article is...why? Impressions are not evidentiary, but I certainly have the impression that women's high school ball has suddenly improved immensely. Is it the prospect of making money in college (NIL)--but isn't that too recent and unexpected? Is it just the momentum of the prospects of pro ball? Is it all the opportunities to play international and more competitive ball while still in high school? Does it have to do with a stronger sense of social freedom and purpose for girls/women?
good questions. More elite individual training programs? Better access to watching top flight WCBB and the WNBA? Happenstance? The last couple of WNBA drafts have been pretty paltry, so it isn't like there is a huge movement toward youth everywhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 11:20:55 GMT -5
Putting that all together, Bueckers finished with 12.9 combined Win Shares which was best in the nation by a sizable margin. That number doesn’t quite reach the level of 2011-12 Brittney Griner, the highest Win Shares in our database, but how does it stack up against other freshmen?It comes in at No. 2 among freshmen since 2009-10, trailing 2009-10 Elena Delle Donne and tying with 2011-12 Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis. Additionally, the players ranked No. 3 through No. 6 all reached their totals in at least three more games played than Bueckers.Clark and Bueckers were only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to elite rookie production. Destinee Wells of Belmont and Lexi Fleming of Bowling Green State mostly flew under the radar despite putting up Win Share totals of 7.5 and 7.0 respectively. Both players amassed those solid totals thanks to strong stats across the board, from scoring and facilitating to rebounds and steals.Fellow UConn rookie Aaliyah Edwards totaled 6.6 Win Shares despite coming off of the bench in 23 of her 29 games.What's missing in the article is...why? Impressions are not evidentiary, but I certainly have the impression that women's high school ball has suddenly improved immensely. Is it the prospect of making money in college (NIL)--but isn't that too recent and unexpected? Is it just the momentum of the prospects of pro ball? Is it all the opportunities to play international and more competitive ball while still in high school? Does it have to do with a stronger sense of social freedom and purpose for girls/women?
good questions. More elite individual training programs? Better access to watching top flight WCBB and the WNBA? Happenstance? The last couple of WNBA drafts have been pretty paltry, so it isn't like there is a huge movement toward youth everywhere. One thing I've noticed recently with virtually all of the top 100 prospects is that they, not only play high school basketball; but they also belong to AAU or 'travel teams'!! I see this as a recent phenomenon with the girls and it further develops their talent pool. If you look at these ASGR ratings for the 2022 class, every one is part of a travel team!! asgrbasketball.com/2022-top-100-players-2-3/ |
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Post by bulkey on Nov 3, 2021 11:45:38 GMT -5
good questions. More elite individual training programs? Better access to watching top flight WCBB and the WNBA? Happenstance? The last couple of WNBA drafts have been pretty paltry, so it isn't like there is a huge movement toward youth everywhere. One thing I've noticed recently with virtually all of the top 100 prospects is that they, not only play high school basketball; but they also belong to AAU or 'travel teams'!! I see this as a recent phenomenon with the girls and it further develops their talent pool. If you look at these ASGR ratings for the 2022 class, every one is part of a travel team!! asgrbasketball.com/2022-top-100-players-2-3/ We all acknowledge that all this extra-mural play has improved players. Yet Geno points to it as a negative as well: that high schoolers now play too much and don't practice enough. So, while they seem to be better, they don't improve on fundamentals. Even Paige (gasp!), when I see her throw one of her (often amazing) passes, I think: that's not the way you should have been trained to throw it. (But Paige hasn't returned a single one of my emails to her!  ) Geno loves a fast moving, read-and-react game. But he's old school about fundamentals. And kids today aren't spending the same amount of time getting those necessary reps. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Change happens. |
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Post by swash on Nov 3, 2021 14:31:50 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed recently with virtually all of the top 100 prospects is that they, not only play high school basketball; but they also belong to AAU or 'travel teams'!! I see this as a recent phenomenon with the girls and it further develops their talent pool. If you look at these ASGR ratings for the 2022 class, every one is part of a travel team!! asgrbasketball.com/2022-top-100-players-2-3/ We all acknowledge that all this extra-mural play has improved players. Yet Geno points to it as a negative as well: that high schoolers now play too much and don't practice enough. So, while they seem to be better, they don't improve on fundamentals. Even Paige (gasp!), when I see her throw one of her (often amazing) passes, I think: that's not the way you should have been trained to throw it. (But Paige hasn't returned a single one of my emails to her! ) Geno loves a fast moving, read-and-react game. But he's old school about fundamentals. And kids today aren't spending the same amount of time getting those necessary reps. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Change happens. Another factor is that the vast majority of AAU teams play essentially zero defense, and their AAU training aligns with that. All you get is what happens organically by the players individually. That'll grind Geno's teeth down in terms of "fundamentals". |
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) Geno loves a fast moving, read-and-react game. But he's old school about fundamentals. And kids today aren't spending the same amount of time getting those necessary reps. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Change happens.