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Post by bulkey on Jul 2, 2021 10:08:38 GMT -5
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Post by semper on Jul 2, 2021 10:15:31 GMT -5
Wonder how that will go down on Muffet's bench.
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Post by bulkey on Jul 2, 2021 10:19:00 GMT -5
Wonder how that will go down on Muffet's bench. That's where I grabbed it from. They're trying to spin it. They're in denial, which, as we know, is a river in Egypt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 10:45:11 GMT -5
If that's the way Coach Ivey communicates and coaches her players, the ND WCBB Program is headed in the wrong direction?? Geno has an open door policy and he's not shy about letting players know what they need to work on or what they're doing well...................?? I'm not too surprised, given the way she ignored Beth Cunningham! Players will see through the Ivey mystique and this will be interesting going forward? BTW.....Beth Cunningham is much better off @ Duke working with Coach Kara Lawson!!! Well; this will really boost their recruiting going forward.........................  |
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Post by vtcwbuff on Jul 2, 2021 12:34:08 GMT -5
A one sided article. Where is the coach's response? What I see is a player that got a few minutes in the 1st two games and then sat for most of the rest of the season. According to her no reason was given for her benching so she leaves the team for a better fit. Not super bizarre just not a balanced reporting by Giger. She played 28 minutes in each of the first two ND games. After that she saw hardly any play. Why? Maybe Ivey didn't like what she saw. In any case it does seem weird that according to Campbell there was no communication with the coach. Why didn't she ask an assistant what the problem was if Ivey was so inaccessible?
One thing for certain - if Ivey thought that she would make a meaningful contribution then she would have had more court time. Just like the Hillsman situation we need to wait for a Paul Harvey moment.
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Post by linkster on Jul 2, 2021 12:43:25 GMT -5
Weren't some posters on the ND board saying a few years ago that Ivey was the one who brought stars to S Bend? That she was the ace recruiter?
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Post by bulkey on Jul 2, 2021 12:44:20 GMT -5
A one sided article. Where is the coach's response? What I see is a player that got a few minutes in the 1st two games and then sat for most of the rest of the season. According to her no reason was given for her benching so she leaves the team for a better fit. Not super bizarre just not a balanced reporting by Giger. She played 28 minutes in each of the first two ND games. After that she saw hardly any play. Why? Maybe Ivey didn't like what she saw. In any case it does seem weird that according to Campbell there was no communication with the coach. Why didn't she ask an assistant what the problem was if Ivey was so inaccessible? One thing for certain - if Ivey thought that she would make a meaningful contribution then she would have had more court time. Just like the Hillsman situation we need to wait for a Paul Harvey moment. 28 minutes/game for the first two games for a freshman means that she impressed mightily in practice. And then effectively benched the rest of the year? For a team that played dreadfully anyway, even failing to make the Tournament? At the very least, for a top 25 recruit to be treated that way does not inspire other top high school players to want to sign on. Since then they have not had a lot of luck recruiting. They now run the risk of being no better than the 5th best team in the ACC (behind Louisville, Duke, UNC, and NC State). |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 2, 2021 17:02:43 GMT -5
This is copied from a Notre Dame booster discussing the article.
But we can distract ourselves by the alleged pettiness of a sophomore in college while ignoring the elephant in the room:
Last season's record
In particular, the multiple late-game meltdowns
In particular, the multiple losses to less talented teams
The ongoing exodus of talented players
The fact that not a single high school recruit has committed to play at Notre Dame since four months before Ivey coached her first game as a head coach.
Things are quickly bending south in South Bend. My only disappointment in this is that it sort of makes Muffet look good. But only sort of, since she had that disastrous final season.
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Post by bulkey on Jul 3, 2021 11:10:30 GMT -5
More meltdowns over at St Muffet du Lac. This post just nails the angst that they are rightly feeling over there.
Alli was Muffet's first '20-'21 recruit. She was ranked #27 by HoopGurlz.
Why would any top recruit want to come to Notre Dame and risk being relegated to the bench, for all but 3 minutes after the first two games of the season?
We have not had a recruit since Olivia and Sonia committed just after Neile was named head coach, and before the '20-'21 season. Draw your own conclusions.
Add to Ivey's bizarre managing of Alli the way she played Sam, who was her best player, but often was sitting on the bench at critical moments.
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Post by swash on Jul 3, 2021 11:29:10 GMT -5
More meltdowns over at St Muffet du Lac. This post just nails the angst that they are rightly feeling over there. Alli was Muffet's first '20-'21 recruit. She was ranked #27 by HoopGurlz.
Why would any top recruit want to come to Notre Dame and risk being relegated to the bench, for all but 3 minutes after the first two games of the season?We have not had a recruit since Olivia and Sonia committed just after Neile was named head coach, and before the '20-'21 season. Draw your own conclusions.Add to Ivey's bizarre managing of Alli the way she played Sam, who was her best player, but often was sitting on the bench at critical moments. Wow. Things are spinning wildly over there. How long before that experiment falls apart? If they are not in the tourney this year, will she get an extended chance? Usually, the argument would be that the new coach needs time to undo the problems of the past, and let the new recruits prove their merits, but part one is trouble because the predecessor is in the HOF and people have already forgotten that final year of angst from her. Part B is also in jeopardy if no new top recruits are even listing ND in their final group. If I were advising a recruit and their family ... Even ignoring my loyalty to Geno ... I'd point them to a lot of places before ND. Now another interesting question (to me at least): Tenn kept a strong fanbase even through the ugliest years, and they're pretty loyal still. MSST had strong attendance numbers this season, despite underperforming in the first post Vic year. Can the Irish keep their support base through this? If they transition again quickly, does that help or harm that dynamic? Who would they get? Jeff's name is first everywhere. Have to think they'd jump on that. He'd probably take it, too. |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 3, 2021 11:42:01 GMT -5
More meltdowns over at St Muffet du Lac. This post just nails the angst that they are rightly feeling over there. If I were advising a recruit and their family ... Even ignoring my loyalty to Geno ... I'd point them to a lot of places before ND. Now another interesting question (to me at least): Tenn kept a strong fanbase even through the ugliest years, and they're pretty loyal still. MSST had strong attendance numbers this season, despite underperforming in the first post Vic year. Can the Irish keep their support base through this? If they transition again quickly, does that help or harm that dynamic? Who would they get? Jeff's name is first everywhere. Have to think they'd jump on that. He'd probably take it, too. Great post, swash! I hear that ND has a fall sport that folks like, too. But what else is there to do in the winter except study Medieval liturgical music? So, I'm betting enthusiasm will remain. Jeff would be a great fit! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 12:02:00 GMT -5
This is copied from a Notre Dame booster discussing the article. But we can distract ourselves by the alleged pettiness of a sophomore in college while ignoring the elephant in the room:Last season's recordIn particular, the multiple late-game meltdownsIn particular, the multiple losses to less talented teamsThe ongoing exodus of talented playersThe fact that not a single high school recruit has committed to play at Notre Dame since four months before Ivey coached her first game as a head coach.Things are quickly bending south in South Bend. My only disappointment in this is that it sort of makes Muffet look good. But only sort of, since she had that disastrous final season. In one sense; it makes McGraw look good, but McGraw supposedly vetted Ivey as her replacement head coach?? Could it be that, McGraw was so shaken by her disastrous final season as head coach, that she was all too focused on jumping off the bus and now Ivey can't drive it either??? Who knows?? McGraw certainly seemed on the verge of having a meltdown during those last few months of her tenure there? The transition from McGraw to Niele was presented as a wonderful Sondheimesque musical with singing birds and angels, but it might be a Greek Tragedy with untested Ivey doing her best version of Icarus as she soars to the sun with reckless abandon and McGraw's Bench implodes!! Stay tuned folks!!  |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 3, 2021 12:11:28 GMT -5
The transition from McGraw to Niele was presented as a wonderful Sondheimesque musical with singing birds and angels, but it might be a Greek Tragedy with untested Ivey doing her best version of Icarus as she soars to the sun with reckless abandon and McGraw's Bench implodes!! Stay tuned folks!! Send in the Clowns? |
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Post by grrrrr on Jul 3, 2021 13:17:34 GMT -5
Totally one sided. HOWEVER, another case of fire meet smoke. Lot of that going around.
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Post by bulkey on Jul 3, 2021 13:22:49 GMT -5
Totally one sided. HOWEVER, another case of fire meet smoke. Lot of that going around. Sure, it's one-sided. It's an interview with a player. If Ivey wants to give her side, she certainly has the pulpit for it. It's really astonishing that a top recruit, healthy the entire year, played a total of THREE MINUTES after the first two games. That's unconscionable. She came to ND to develop as a player, yet was totally shut out of that opportunity. A completely wasted year. Autumn walked on at UConn, was hurt the second half of the season, and yet had a lot more minutes than that. That seems like fire to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 13:46:29 GMT -5
The transition from McGraw to Niele was presented as a wonderful Sondheimesque musical with singing birds and angels, but it might be a Greek Tragedy with untested Ivey doing her best version of Icarus as she soars to the sun with reckless abandon and McGraw's Bench implodes!! Stay tuned folks!! Send in the Clowns? Lol........I'm on my way now!!! |
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Jul 3, 2021 18:30:35 GMT -5
Super bizarre. Suggests Ivey is not well grounded. But also, why didn't the player ask for answers?
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Post by bulkey on Jul 3, 2021 18:44:37 GMT -5
Super bizarre. Suggests Ivey is not well grounded. But also, why didn't the player ask for answers?That's why Alli herself said in her podcast, which was extremely self-effacing. She did admit that she needed to ask the question. But she was 18 and probably didn't know better. That she transferred to Penn State, close to her home of Altoona, rather than to another highly visible program may suggest that she felt a bit beat-up by the experience. |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 6, 2021 14:48:14 GMT -5
Notre Dame has signed ZERO recruits in the class of 2022, and someone just posted this over at McGraw's Bench:
Imagine that you are head coach X. You want a recruit that ND is also pursuing.
Do you suppose Coach X might mention, "If you go to ND, you may be terrific, but you may never get a chance to see the floor. Look what happened to Patberg, Nixon and Campbell."
Will some recruits find that argument persuasive? Will ND even get a chance to rebut it?
Coach X might be forgetting about his own dismal transfer record, But have any of his transfers out had the post-transfer success and publicity Patberg and Nixon have had?
Before the wide-open transfer portal, a coach could sit a highly-ranked freshman for many good reasons. History is showing that many — but not all — highly-ranked freshman won't buy into that today.
Not giving your star recruits a chance to see the floor is handing opposing coaches an argument to use to damage your recruiting.
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Post by semper on Jul 6, 2021 15:27:05 GMT -5
It's going to be a dismal year in the Bend for WCBB. Mark my words. Ivey is toast.
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Post by UConnChapette on Jul 7, 2021 9:44:29 GMT -5
It's going to be a dismal year in the Bend for WCBB. Mark my words. Ivey is toast. Nothing against Niele. But to continue to see ND suffer? Call me evil and vindictive. I am not feeling sorry for the program. The players? They have all my sympathy. |
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