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Post by bulkey on Jun 30, 2021 10:48:15 GMT -5
The thing that bothered me was that apparently 3 players said that Hillsman's behavior caused them to have suicidal thoughts! That almost looked like a pre arranged accusation (conspiracy anyone?)or it was the result of prompting by the interviewer. Maybe. Or maybe they really did have suicidal thoughts and shared those feelings with each other at the time they felt them. Personally, when someone says that, I take them very, very seriously. There are plenty of tragedies among college-age kids. |
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Post by vtcwbuff on Jun 30, 2021 19:04:43 GMT -5
I am of the mind to let the investigation play out. I don't like Quentin, but people can be destroyed by exaggerated claims. I am not saying AT ALL that the players are not right to feel what they feel. Their feelings are valid and need to be considered as such. This is a tricky thing to deal with. I was once the victim of unwelcome attention that was on the borderline of outright sexual harrassment in the work place. Behavior was subtle, but the context was there and I felt very uncomfortable. I warned the co-worker his jokes and comments were not appreciated, yet her persisted. One day, he just went too far and I had enough. I took it to HR rather than let it go any further. I had the opportunity to determine this man's fate. HR made it clear that if I wanted to remove the sightline between my cube and his, they would move his desk location NOT mine. They even went so far as to say if I wanted him fired, that was within my power to voice that preference, and considering the fact I had warned him on more than one occasion was sufficient grounds for his termination. HR said I did everything right. I documented each action with date, time and witnesses; I laid out my case factually and unemotionally (which was exceedingly hard to do I must admit). In the end, I told them I just wanted him to be "reeducated" on the policy and to have him stop. It scared the bejeesus out of him, because he couldn't even make eye contact with me after that. He would also rate all the women's clothing and appearance and call it out as they passed by: "Looking like an 8 today, Karen", "Only a 6 today, Lynn". I mentioned it in my complaint to HR, but that wasn't the focus of my complaint. Just additional evidence that he was making many people uncomfortable, not just me. This man was just a Neanderthal, and a bigot to boot. He "complimented" a female member of the department to her face as "being very smart - for one of your kind" (she was black). We had a member of the department of Indian descent. He referred to him as "towel head" behind his back - and Taj wasn't a Sikh so there wasn't any turban! If you were not a white Protestant or Catholic male, you were fair game for belittling. He also had a very low opinion of Jewish people, of which we had several in the department. The next time there was a reduction in force, he was shown the door. |
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Post by bulkey on Jul 1, 2021 8:31:28 GMT -5
here's the podcast interviewing the two reporters. It's pretty good. I don't think they present a "smoking gun"; rather it's unfortunate behavior that, now made public, will deter top recruits. open.spotify.com/episode/6ba7Iw582U72qzwfKsaSP0 |
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Post by UConnChapette on Jul 1, 2021 8:58:41 GMT -5
I ended my prior post too early. I meant to end it with a comment that the process has to play out, the reports have to be investigated and the powers that be have to determine just how egregious Q's behavior is/was. The "what would you like to see happen" discussion I had in my experience came after HR investigated, interviewed me and "the accused", multiple witness I provided, etc. My experience was a long, long time ago (in the 1990's) and I am sure the process has changed significantly - I doubt what I wanted to see happen would even be a consideration. But my point is, there is a process that has to play out and just because someone says something happened in a certain way does not make it so. That said, the accusers feelings about what happened are no less valid. Their perception is their reality, and if they were made to feel uncomfortable, it doesn't matter how much Q says "I meant nothing by it, it was harmless". If someone feels they are working under a hostile or uncomfortable work environment, that is what is paramount. Provided the investigation validates what happened as reported actually happened as reported.
It is a messy business.
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Post by samanthabrown3 on Jul 1, 2021 10:12:38 GMT -5
Profanity - non starter there. Ever listen to player's conversations? Touching - Upper pelvis? Is that like putting your hand on a player's hip? Yelling that you don't care about them- That's a tough one. I can see the wet spots from the melted snowflakes. Kissed on the forehead - did they bend down so that he could reach their forehead? Kinda' creepy but enough to destroy a man's career? What did I miss? The thing that bothered me was that apparently 3 players said that Hillsman's behavior caused them to have suicidal thoughts! That almost looked like a pre arranged accusation (conspiracy anyone?)or it was the result of prompting by the interviewer. Remember when some media something wanted to mike up Geno? They couldn't do it because they never knew when he'd toss in a profanity. Watch Geno when he hugs the players. Always above the waist. What's the point of telling players that you don't care about them? Motivation? It's a weird way to motivate. Geno is blunt when he tells the players how they're doing (or not doing), but my sense is that they always know he cares about them. Forehead kissing--depends on the circumstances, doesn't it? Geno kissed KML after a particularly brilliant half. But kissing them at the end of practice, for instance? Ewww. Not that Q did it then; I don't know. |
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Post by huskyharper on Jul 1, 2021 19:32:04 GMT -5
It wasn't until three people transferred out of a unit to other departments that the company I worked for sat up and took our complaints seriously. And yes, I was one of those who packed up and moved on. Repeated trips to HR with carefully documented complaints were brushed off until three of us left. Only after that was "something" done. The perpetrator was then given his "dream job." He should have been fired. The manager who refused to take us seriously was retired, and went to work for the state. No justice there. None.
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Post by zoney on Jul 1, 2021 20:06:30 GMT -5
It wasn't until three people transferred out of a unit to other departments that the company I worked for sat up and took our complaints seriously. And yes, I was one of those who packed up and moved on. Repeated trips to HR with carefully documented complaints were brushed off until three of us left. Only after that was "something" done. The perpetrator was then given his "dream job." He should have been fired. The manager who refused to take us seriously was retired, and went to work for the state. No justice there. None. I'm very sorry. |
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Post by UConnChapette on Jul 2, 2021 10:19:34 GMT -5
It wasn't until three people transferred out of a unit to other departments that the company I worked for sat up and took our complaints seriously. And yes, I was one of those who packed up and moved on. Repeated trips to HR with carefully documented complaints were brushed off until three of us left. Only after that was "something" done. The perpetrator was then given his "dream job." He should have been fired. The manager who refused to take us seriously was retired, and went to work for the state. No justice there. None. You are right, your HR department failed miserably. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 18:26:49 GMT -5
A just released article by The Athletic savages Hillsman for bullying, inappropriate contact and more. Alas I'm still not willing to subscribe. Do you? Love to have the details on the article. |
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