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Post by tipin on Mar 30, 2021 9:56:32 GMT -5
I get it we don’t want to lose. But when an alleged adult makes personal negative posts about a young women performing at anything less than perfect when she is doing the best she can do at that moment speaks more to the inadequacies of the poster than the Player, IMO.
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Post by chicagogg on Mar 30, 2021 10:09:20 GMT -5
Those that can, do....those that cannot, bitch a lot.
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Post by grrrrr on Mar 30, 2021 10:12:57 GMT -5
Those that can, do....those that cannot, bitch a lot. Well said. No CW, no Final Four. |
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Post by semper on Mar 30, 2021 10:24:08 GMT -5
Yeah, but no need to complain about each other either. They are great at that OY, and it turns into a slug fest time and again. What I like about over here is that we cut it our early and don't perpetuate it. Sometimes I think our theme song is "Let it be."
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Post by UConnChapette on Mar 30, 2021 11:34:06 GMT -5
Yeah, but no need to complain about each other either. They are great at that OY, and it turns into a slug fest time and again. What I like about over here is that we cut it our early and don't perpetuate it. Sometimes I think our theme song is "Let it be." I quite agree, Semper. There are times when the comments are so bluntly negative of a single player that I can't let it pass. For me, I have tolerance for comments like "Two missed free throws doesn't help us", or "that was a dumb pass", or "stupid foul". But when people start placing blame for a loss or potential loss on a single player, that is when my ire spills over and I have to challenge it. In most cases, I make my point and then move on. |
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Post by semper on Mar 30, 2021 12:22:15 GMT -5
Yeah, we cut it out early, as you say: we move on. And that makes all the difference!  Thanks for all you do. |
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Post by davidinnaples on Mar 30, 2021 13:29:09 GMT -5
What are we adding hominem to...? I want to get the recipe right...  |
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Post by radylady on Mar 30, 2021 13:55:09 GMT -5
I get it we don’t want to lose. But when an alleged adult makes personal negative posts about a young women performing at anything less than perfect when she is doing the best she can do at that moment speaks more to the inadequacies of the poster than the Player, IMO. thought we covered this in the game thread and put it to bed...moved on....ordered take out |
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Post by swash on Mar 30, 2021 14:00:09 GMT -5
What are we adding hominem to...? I want to get the quiz right... Adding hominids... I get three over there, another one under the tree, and two down by the river. |
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Post by semper on Mar 30, 2021 15:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by justinesguy on Mar 30, 2021 16:47:09 GMT -5
I’m sure this thread is directed at me for my criticism of CW.
Listen I felt bad I was overly harsh in my comments I actually felt bad all night about it.
My goal as a poster is not to verbally abuse an athlete of a team I love.
A lot of times during a game thread I may type what I’m ranting about to my family/friends that I’m watching the game with, but when typed it comes off much worse than intended.
To be true to myself I’m not always a big fan of CW game. I think she has a world of potential and has had huge moments but IMHO hasn’t put it together in a consistent basis.
Last nights game, yes she played well scoring 21 points.
However the facts are she blew a big layup and missed 3 important FTS than would have iced the game. Yes I called her second FT that scraped the front rim a Choke. Perhaps that was harsh but it was poor emotion in the heat of a crazy game. I also said she lost us the game after missing those FTS. Clearly she did not but it’s not a stretch to think Baylor could have won on that last possession.
I made two negative comments very true. I feel bad it upset posters but my intent wasn’t personal against CW.
I have to admit I HATE Baylor. Baylor brings out the worst in me.
I don’t like the coach, the style of play, the eyelashes or the uniforms.
So I know when it comes to Baylor I’m a bit much.
Things have really changed, the stuff we’d say at the games as a student, saying choke wasn’t that big a deal.
I will try to look inward and be better.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 30, 2021 16:56:12 GMT -5
JG--I don't know if you were the main target, actually: but you'd have to ask tipin. In any case, thanks so much for these thoughts.
One of the (many) reasons why I left TOB is that they stopped keeping the game thread as a recorded thread, but put it somewhere else, where it could eventually disappear. They did that, I suspect, to avoid having a public record of the comments made in the heat of the moment. So, yes, there's a certain amount of responsibility in posting for a permanent record. But again, thanks for these thoughts.
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tipin
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Post by tipin on Mar 30, 2021 17:09:21 GMT -5
I get it we don’t want to lose. But when an alleged adult makes personal negative posts about a young women performing at anything less than perfect when she is doing the best she can do at that moment speaks more to the inadequacies of the poster than the Player, IMO. thought we covered this in the game thread and put it to bed...moved on....ordered take out Did you have a nice red with your meal? |
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Post by nyhuskyfan on Mar 30, 2021 17:11:19 GMT -5
I have bit of an issue when we single out the "young women." Is it that the guys can take tough rhetoric and the women are too sensitive? I didn't see how personal the attacks were, but is holding a player to the highest standard and being critical of her fair game? It would be nice to know what subjective level of critique is allowed.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 30, 2021 18:01:58 GMT -5
I have bit of an issue when we single out the "young women." Is it that the guys can take tough rhetoric and the women are too sensitive? I didn't see how personal the attacks were, but is holding a player to the highest standard and being critical of her fair game? It would be nice to know what subjective level of critique is allowed. I don't think tipin was trying to distinguish by gender. It was perhaps unfortunate wording because it could lead to this misunderstanding. So, if we're going to have this discussion, can we bracket that question and focus on what types of criticisms are appropriate to put in writing on a public forum where even players and their friends and relatives can read them? Where we hide behind fake names, but theirs are all known to everyone? I do know that you erased a very unfortunate post about a player in another game thread, a post that I personally found offensive. Because you deleted it before it could be copied, perhaps you recognized too that it was over the line. My take on your question about the "highest standard" is that there is in fact no "highest standard". Did Paige last night play to "the highest standard"? It seems that you have your own interpretation of that phrase, as we all do. So nothing gained here. And "being critical," why and to what extent? Have you ever received a performance assessment that you thought was profoundly unfair? We're giving these to kids, amateur athletes, on a public forum. Can we keep that in mind? |
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Post by huskyharper on Mar 30, 2021 18:21:22 GMT -5
when I post re: a particular player, I try to think of that player as my child, or my grandchild. "How would I feel if someone posted this about my child/grandchild?? Would I be upset, pissed as hell, or  ??" It doesn't always work, as sometimes I type faster than I think, but there it is. |
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Post by tipin on Mar 30, 2021 18:39:15 GMT -5
I’m sure this thread is directed at me for my criticism of CW. Listen I felt bad I was overly harsh in my comments I actually felt bad all night about it. My goal as a poster is not to verbally abuse an athlete of a team I love. A lot of times during a game thread I may type what I’m ranting about to my family/friends that I’m watching the game with, but when typed it comes off much worse than intended. To be true to myself I’m not always a big fan of CW game. I think she has a world of potential and has had huge moments but IMHO hasn’t put it together in a consistent basis. Last nights game, yes she played well scoring 21 points. However the facts are she blew a big layup and missed 3 important FTS than would have iced the game. Yes I called her second FT that scraped the front rim a Choke. Perhaps that was harsh but it was poor emotion in the heat of a crazy game. I also said she lost us the game after missing those FTS. Clearly she did not but it’s not a stretch to think Baylor could have won on that last possession. I made two negative comments very true. I feel bad it upset posters but my intent wasn’t personal against CW. I have to admit I HATE Baylor. Baylor brings out the worst in me. I don’t like the coach, the style of play, the eyelashes or the uniforms. So I know when it comes to Baylor I’m a bit much. Things have really changed, the stuff we’d say at the games as a student, saying choke wasn’t that big a deal. I will try to look inward and be better. I did not make my post with you, solely, in mind. But the fact you recognized yourself as a candidate ; and, further that you expressed remorse and acknowledged your “accountability” also speaks to who you are. I appreciate your honesty |
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Post by samanthabrown3 on Mar 30, 2021 18:39:20 GMT -5
I get it we don’t want to lose. But when an alleged adult makes personal negative posts about a young women performing at anything less than perfect when she is doing the best she can do at that moment speaks more to the inadequacies of the poster than the Player, IMO. thought we covered this in the game thread and put it to bed...moved on....ordered take out Take out for all of us? When’s it coming? We’ll be there! |
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Post by tipin on Mar 30, 2021 18:55:03 GMT -5
I have bit of an issue when we single out the "young women." Is it that the guys can take tough rhetoric and the women are too sensitive? I didn't see how personal the attacks were, but is holding a player to the highest standard and being critical of her fair game? It would be nice to know what subjective level of critique is allowed. My post was not intended to be exclusive to “young women”. But, there is the fact that the posts on which I commented were made about young women playing on a women’s college basketball team. I think the point I was trying to make, stated in a different way, is that some posters should try to hold themselves to the same standard of excellence in their posts that they expect from the players of the team for whom they supposedly root. Unfortunately, for years there have been a handful of supposed adult UCONN fans who coined disparaging names for UCONN players that both insulted the young PEOPLE players and distracted from the enjoyment of the game. The insults levied at Ann Strother because she missed two free throws costing UCONN over Tennessee and Mel Thomas as Melanoma are two that come quickly to mind |
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Post by radylady on Mar 30, 2021 19:19:56 GMT -5
thought we covered this in the game thread and put it to bed...moved on....ordered take out Did you have a nice red with your meal? as a rule I cannot drink reds |
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Post by radylady on Mar 30, 2021 19:31:41 GMT -5
I’m sure this thread is directed at me for my criticism of CW. Listen I felt bad I was overly harsh in my comments I actually felt bad all night about it. My goal as a poster is not to verbally abuse an athlete of a team I love. A lot of times during a game thread I may type what I’m ranting about to my family/friends that I’m watching the game with, but when typed it comes off much worse than intended. To be true to myself I’m not always a big fan of CW game. I think she has a world of potential and has had huge moments but IMHO hasn’t put it together in a consistent basis. Last nights game, yes she played well scoring 21 points. However the facts are she blew a big layup and missed 3 important FTS than would have iced the game. Yes I called her second FT that scraped the front rim a Choke. Perhaps that was harsh but it was poor emotion in the heat of a crazy game. I also said she lost us the game after missing those FTS. Clearly she did not but it’s not a stretch to think Baylor could have won on that last possession. I made two negative comments very true. I feel bad it upset posters but my intent wasn’t personal against CW. I have to admit I HATE Baylor. Baylor brings out the worst in me. I don’t like the coach, the style of play, the eyelashes or the uniforms. So I know when it comes to Baylor I’m a bit much. Things have really changed, the stuff we’d say at the games as a student, saying choke wasn’t that big a deal. I will try to look inward and be better. It was a tough game, soup to nutz. There would have been many reasons/causes for the loss, had we lost, and I stand by my post indicating that if what's-her-name didn't go down with that injury, the outcome would have been way different, and it was Paige who she was on during her time on the floor. Anyway, I get where you are coming from re Baylor. Truth to tell, I break out giggling when I see the eyelashes - seriously, what are they THINKING? You don't need close ups to see them. And Baylor is super aggressive, and the zebs just don't call it all...or at all. BTW, my private name for the girls who sport the lashes are the  .... |
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Post by justinesguy on Mar 30, 2021 19:45:54 GMT -5
I’m sure this thread is directed at me for my criticism of CW. Listen I felt bad I was overly harsh in my comments I actually felt bad all night about it. My goal as a poster is not to verbally abuse an athlete of a team I love. A lot of times during a game thread I may type what I’m ranting about to my family/friends that I’m watching the game with, but when typed it comes off much worse than intended. To be true to myself I’m not always a big fan of CW game. I think she has a world of potential and has had huge moments but IMHO hasn’t put it together in a consistent basis. Last nights game, yes she played well scoring 21 points. However the facts are she blew a big layup and missed 3 important FTS than would have iced the game. Yes I called her second FT that scraped the front rim a Choke. Perhaps that was harsh but it was poor emotion in the heat of a crazy game. I also said she lost us the game after missing those FTS. Clearly she did not but it’s not a stretch to think Baylor could have won on that last possession. I made two negative comments very true. I feel bad it upset posters but my intent wasn’t personal against CW. I have to admit I HATE Baylor. Baylor brings out the worst in me. I don’t like the coach, the style of play, the eyelashes or the uniforms. So I know when it comes to Baylor I’m a bit much. Things have really changed, the stuff we’d say at the games as a student, saying choke wasn’t that big a deal. I will try to look inward and be better. It was a tough game, soup to nutz. There would have been many reasons/causes for the loss, had we lost, and I stand by my post indicating that if what's-her-name didn't go down with that injury, the outcome would have been way different, and it was Paige who she was on during her time on the floor. Anyway, I get where you are coming from re Baylor. Truth to tell, I break out giggling when I see the eyelashes - seriously, what are they THINKING? You don't need close ups to see them. And Baylor is super aggressive, and the zebs just don't call it all...or at all. BTW, my private name for the girls who sport the lashes are the .... Question to you- would the LOL look ( your familiar with LOL dolls??) be tolerated at UCONN? If I recall tattoos needed to be covered up. Would Geno let the girls express them selves? Or tell them hell no??!! Ha. |
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Post by swash on Mar 30, 2021 22:34:19 GMT -5
I have bit of an issue when we single out the "young women." Is it that the guys can take tough rhetoric and the women are too sensitive? I didn't see how personal the attacks were, but is holding a player to the highest standard and being critical of her fair game? It would be nice to know what subjective level of critique is allowed. I don't think tipin was trying to distinguish by gender. It was perhaps unfortunate wording because it could lead to this misunderstanding. So, if we're going to have this discussion, can we bracket that question and focus on what types of criticisms are appropriate to put in writing on a public forum where even players and their friends and relatives can read them? Where we hide behind fake names, but theirs are all known to everyone? I do know that you erased a very unfortunate post about a player in another game thread, a post that I personally found offensive. Because you deleted it before it could be copied, perhaps you recognized too that it was over the line. My take on your question about the "highest standard" is that there is in fact no "highest standard". Did Paige last night play to "the highest standard"? It seems that you have your own interpretation of that phrase, as we all do. So nothing gained here. And "being critical," why and to what extent? Have you ever received a performance assessment that you thought was profoundly unfair? We're giving these to kids, amateur athletes, on a public forum. Can we keep that in mind? The crux is the subject of the sentence. That was a stupid play is very different from This person is stupid. That line is fairly bright. It gets fuzzier when the compendium of comments may single out a single player, even if none of the posts individually would otherwise raise concern. |
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Post by bulkey on Mar 30, 2021 23:15:13 GMT -5
I don't think tipin was trying to distinguish by gender. It was perhaps unfortunate wording because it could lead to this misunderstanding. So, if we're going to have this discussion, can we bracket that question and focus on what types of criticisms are appropriate to put in writing on a public forum where even players and their friends and relatives can read them? Where we hide behind fake names, but theirs are all known to everyone? I do know that you erased a very unfortunate post about a player in another game thread, a post that I personally found offensive. Because you deleted it before it could be copied, perhaps you recognized too that it was over the line. My take on your question about the "highest standard" is that there is in fact no "highest standard". Did Paige last night play to "the highest standard"? It seems that you have your own interpretation of that phrase, as we all do. So nothing gained here. And "being critical," why and to what extent? Have you ever received a performance assessment that you thought was profoundly unfair? We're giving these to kids, amateur athletes, on a public forum. Can we keep that in mind? The crux is the subject of the sentence. That was a stupid play is very different from This person is stupid. That line is fairly bright. It gets fuzzier when the compendium of comments may single out a single player, even if none of the posts individually would otherwise raise concern. +1 Hate the sin; love the sinner, huh? |
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Post by UConnChapette on Mar 31, 2021 7:23:41 GMT -5
I have three trigger points:
1) Saying a player chocked. That will always get my ire up.
2) Singling out one player as the cause of a loss. While it may technically make the difference between a win and a loss, there are 40 minutes in a game to make sure it doesn't come down to that single play.
3) Singular focus on one player throughout a game thread, focusing on every one of their mistakes, to the exclusion of every other players mistakes. Every player makes mistakes, bad fouls, airballs, missed free throws.
The differences that I find annoying are sometimes subtle.
Things I can live with:
1. We needed those free throws
2. Bad pass there
3. Bad decision on that shot
4. Shouldn't have tried to pass into the post that time
5. Payer X was wide open in the corner for that shot
6. That may be the game
7. Maybe Player X needs a rest, she is looking tired.
8. Maybe Geno should put in Player X to change up the offense/defense
Things I get ticked about:
1. Choke (Player or Team) - Just not cool
2. Player X cost us the game - 5 players on the court at a given time, 40 minutes in the game. Why is it necessary to single out one player? I can guarantee you no one on the UConn team will come up to that player and say to them "Great, you just cost us the game". A team game means a team win or a team loss.
3. Player X should be benched in favor of Player Y - Two things here. Benching, to me, means punishment. Just because we don't like the way a player is playing and we think that player is ineffective Geno may think otherwise. They have three coaches on the bench (usually four) keeping tabs on what each player is doing. Let them make that call. Plus, it also smacks of favoritism, particularly when the player they want put in is someone who would not see playing time in a close game unless it was because many ahead of her fouled out.
Again, the differences for me are subtle. And, in fairness, I know that in the heat of a game when something happens we are quick to put thoughts from brain to fingers and don't always think through what we type. But there is the option to edit, or even delete when we have cooled down.
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Thanks for all you do.
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