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Post by doggydaddy on Feb 28, 2021 20:59:44 GMT -5
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Post by semper on Feb 28, 2021 21:41:19 GMT -5
Wow, what a GREAT report. Thanks so much you two!
I agree the reveal is problematic...SCAR should go to a second seed, shouldn't they?
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Post by msf22b on Feb 28, 2021 22:42:42 GMT -5
David
I agree with your thinking in general re: Olivia/Aaliyah
But you did leave out an important stat that tends to even thing up a bit...
Liv plays (just about exactly) 5 minutes more, per game.
So to be fair...that being about 25%
Wouldn't one want to adjust stats to reflect minutes played?
There is no doubt, that Olivia is becoming a huge factor in the passing offense
The St John's game, for example
That's not Aaliyah's strength at the moment
but she's not asked to do that yet.
For the kids, Geno likes to keep it simple...
Run the floor, catch the pass and put it in the hoop.
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Post by vtcwbuff on Feb 28, 2021 22:53:41 GMT -5
More spun stats. Why not normalize the numbers? Edwards is a freshman. Did you consider comparing the two at the same time in their careers? And why the need to call people idiots? The guy had a different opinion that's all.
"Made threes? Liv has 4, AE has not even tried a three." Whenever I see ONO set up for a three I cringe. Why - because chances are it ain't going in.
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Post by vtcwbuff on Feb 28, 2021 22:55:04 GMT -5
More spun stats. Why not normalize the numbers? Edwards is a freshman. Did you consider comparing the two at the same time in their careers? And why the need to call people idiots? The guy had a different opinion that's all.
"Made threes? Liv has 4, AE has not even tried a three." Whenever I see ONO set up for a three I cringe. Why - because chances are it ain't going in.
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Post by semper on Mar 1, 2021 7:10:35 GMT -5
Has its occurred to anyone that we are having some pretty fine conversations over here about WCBB and UCONN in particular, without veering into nonsense? More than ever before. It is just great! Really something to look forward to every day! I'm grateful for you all. Just sayin...
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Post by tipin on Mar 1, 2021 7:36:21 GMT -5
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Post by tipin on Mar 1, 2021 7:57:19 GMT -5
A few observations. Ono’s cringeworthy 3’s are less cringeworthy lately. If those 3’s weren’t part of Geno’s half court O sets Ono would be yanked. Admittedly Geno has softened his coaching style from pure black and white to a more softened gray to accommodate the psyche of recent generations but I still believe Ono would be yanked. Geno always runs his half court O through his “perceived” 5. Get the 5 out to at least the top of the key to draw out the opposing big opening up for both back door cuts and improved O rebounds
Yes stats restated to stats per minute are valuable but not necessarily conclusive. Basketball remains a game of runs on both sides of the ball. And runs are a function of who’s hot or on their game, who’s not and plays called. Right now it seems like Geno is trying to emphasize Nik more. Also basketball remains a team sport and each players stats have been strongly influenced by the individual play of others on the team
With respect to name calling? Well it seems a trait of some posters just like the inability of some players to make a free throw. It’s in their DNA
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Post by davidinnaples on Mar 1, 2021 9:00:49 GMT -5
More spun stats. Why not normalize the numbers? Edwards is a freshman. Did you consider comparing the two at the same time in their careers? And why the need to call people idiots? The guy had a different opinion that's all. "Made threes? Liv has 4, AE has not even tried a three." Whenever I see ONO set up for a three I cringe. Why - because chances are it ain't going in. I get that you dislike posts with stats, especially mine. But, with all due respect, how are these stats "spun"? I'm just listing the actual stats for the two players this year. My conclusion is simple. Aaliyah is very good, but not "light years" ahead of Olivia. I apologize for using the work "idiot." Perhaps I should just say it is "silly" to compare two players based on 1 game, when many can be used. That is actually a better example of "spun" stats. |
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Post by grrrrr on Mar 1, 2021 9:09:34 GMT -5
Great as always. If Liv has an overwhelming, insatiable need to shoot from outside, the limit should be 12 feet, to her credit she has been a revelation as a high post passer. Practical Modern Basketball strikes again.
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Post by chicagogg on Mar 1, 2021 9:13:29 GMT -5
Doggy, David and Phil - truly appreciate all the work that you put into this! A feast that will carry me all the way to the game tonight! Thank you!
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Post by grrrrr on Mar 1, 2021 9:18:39 GMT -5
Didn't see this anywhere else, apologies if it's already been mentioned. Did you guys see that Caitlin Clark had 14 assists yesterday against Wisconsin? Really? I don't believe in coincidences. Is there a remedy for Paigeitis?
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Post by swash on Mar 1, 2021 9:41:29 GMT -5
Great as always. If Liv has an overwhelming, insatiable need to shoot from outside, the limit should be 12 feet, to her credit she has been a revelation as a high post passer. Practical Modern Basketball strikes again. That one step seems to be critical. Standing at the top of the key at/near the arc vs the same exact thing but just behind the foul line. Passing works for ONO from either spot. Shooting from that little bit closer yields substantial benefits both in accuracy and in probability of getting any rebounds. On the negative side, that does sometimes tighten the cutting lanes a little bit. |
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Post by bulkey on Mar 1, 2021 11:33:55 GMT -5
have to say, criticism of Liv's outside shooting seems to be misplaced.
If you think she shouldn't be doing it, criticize Geno. He could stop it by just telling her not to.
My theory is that if a player is doing something like that, despite it not being terribly effective in an obvious way, then it must be the right thing to do in a less obvious way.
What might that less obvious way be? Not being Geno or having slept at a Holiday Inn Express, I can only guess:
1. Liv does make these sometimes. If she were to make a few against (say) SC, Boston would be forced to step out and their defense would collapse.
2. Even when she misses, if UConn has some size advantage on the floor (Aaliyah), then there's a reasonable chance of a putback.
Again, if she's doing it, Geno's allowing it. Either he's a bad coach or understands the game differently than we do.
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Post by davidinnaples on Mar 1, 2021 13:32:47 GMT -5
David I agree with your thinking in general re: Olivia/Aaliyah But you did leave out an important stat that tends to even thing up a bit... Liv plays (just about exactly) 5 minutes more, per game. So to be fair...that being about 25% Wouldn't one want to adjust stats to reflect minutes played? There is no doubt, that Olivia is becoming a huge factor in the passing offense The St John's game, for example That's not Aaliyah's strength at the moment but she's not asked to do that yet. For the kids, Geno likes to keep it simple... Run the floor, catch the pass and put it in the hoop. Yes, Liv has played 524 minutes to Aaliyah's 404. Ask your self why? Isn't Geno in charge of who is on the court. If Aaliyah is "light years" ahead of Olivia, why the extra minutes for Liv? The answer is obvious, that Geno doesn't think AE is "light years" better. I realize you are not agreeing with the poster who made the "light years" comment, but Geno's substitution pattern is supported by current stats. AE is good and getting better. But not way, way better than ONO. |
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Post by davidinnaples on Mar 1, 2021 13:35:38 GMT -5
A few observations. Ono’s cringeworthy 3’s are less cringeworthy lately. If those 3’s weren’t part of Geno’s half court O sets Ono would be yanked. Admittedly Geno has softened his coaching style from pure black and white to a more softened gray to accommodate the psyche of recent generations but I still believe Ono would be yanked. Geno always runs his half court O through his “perceived” 5. Get the 5 out to at least the top of the key to draw out the opposing big opening up for both back door cuts and improved O rebounds Yes stats restated to stats per minute are valuable but not necessarily conclusive. Basketball remains a game of runs on both sides of the ball. And runs are a function of who’s hot or on their game, who’s not and plays called. Right now it seems like Geno is trying to emphasize Nik more. Also basketball remains a team sport and each players stats have been strongly influenced by the individual play of others on the team With respect to name calling? Well it seems a trait of some posters just like the inability of some players to make a free throw. It’s in their DNA Agree and I apologize for calling someone an "idiot." The statement is ridiculous, but everyone can have their opinion.  |
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