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Post by swash on Feb 25, 2021 14:13:45 GMT -5
On the record, Nika still starts next year. She brings too many intangibles not to. How much do you suppose ESPN is regretting not outbidding FOX for the Big East TV rights? Or at least sharing them. The press coverage and general interest of Paige and Azzi on the same team will be off the charts. I think I agree. If it weren't for the success of Paige - we'd be calling Nika the next Sue. A few freshman mistakes, needs to prove that she will shoot to make them cover her, cut down on the turnovers ... all true, but even so, she's also ... starting ... as a freshman ... for the #1 team in the land ... despite there being three other Point Guards on the team
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 14:14:29 GMT -5
Thanks for digging that up, Ken. Certainly one of the greatest defensive stands ever. The only better defense played over the past century would likely be the Babe guarding his stash of beer & hot dogs during Prohibition or possibly Lawrence Taylor...... ...!!!!!
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Post by rvwsleep on Feb 25, 2021 14:33:38 GMT -5
No big deal, but I never knew that Tim is not Azzi's biological father.
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Post by semper on Feb 25, 2021 15:54:39 GMT -5
That was a really amazing article, lots of new information.
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Post by meyers7 on Feb 25, 2021 16:07:16 GMT -5
Kinda get the feeling that UCONN might be decent next year.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Feb 25, 2021 16:42:52 GMT -5
On the record, Nika still starts next year. She brings too many intangibles not to. How much do you suppose ESPN is regretting not outbidding FOX for the Big East TV rights? Or at least sharing them. The press coverage and general interest of Paige and Azzi on the same team will be off the charts. I think I agree. If it weren't for the success of Paige - we'd be calling Nika the next Sue. A few freshman mistakes, needs to prove that she will shoot to make them cover her, cut down on the turnovers ... all true, but even so, she's also ... starting ... as a freshman ... for the #1 team in the land ... despite there being three other Point Guards on the team It's my theory that Nika has so concentrated on defense and ball carrier duties that her sense of the court and the hoop is just a little off. She has to get rid of the tight, tunnel vision and reawaken her feel for the hoop.
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Post by swash on Feb 25, 2021 20:47:26 GMT -5
I think I agree. If it weren't for the success of Paige - we'd be calling Nika the next Sue. A few freshman mistakes, needs to prove that she will shoot to make them cover her, cut down on the turnovers ... all true, but even so, she's also ... starting ... as a freshman ... for the #1 team in the land ... despite there being three other Point Guards on the team It's my theory that Nika has so concentrated on defense and ball carrier duties that her sense of the court and the hoop is just a little off. She has to get rid of the tight, tunnel vision and reawaken her feel for the hoop. Looking good tonight, though, eh?
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Post by denverernie on Feb 26, 2021 8:01:17 GMT -5
Geno's greatest coaching job of all time will be figuring out who plays next year and keeping all the talent the coaching staff has recruited. UConn is surpassing the cries to "break up the Yankees"
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Post by semper on Feb 26, 2021 8:31:02 GMT -5
Can you imagine the threads all this will inspire over the summer and early fall? Exhausting just to ponder it. We are in the midst of it...I was watching some Larry Bird film this AM, and thinking about being a Celtics fan for his great decade of domination. We are in something like that right now, at one of the peaks of it all. And we gotta remember that and really really really enjoy it. It will not come again.
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Post by swash on Feb 26, 2021 9:00:20 GMT -5
Geno's greatest coaching job of all time will be figuring out who plays next year and keeping all the talent the coaching staff has recruited. UConn is surpassing the cries to "break up the Yankees" I hope you are correct. Let's be "bad for basketball" again.
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Post by swash on Feb 26, 2021 9:37:41 GMT -5
Can you imagine the threads all this will inspire over the summer and early fall? Exhausting just to ponder it. We are in the midst of it...I was watching some Larry Bird film this AM, and thinking about being a Celtics fan for his great decade of domination. We are in something like that right now, at one of the peaks of it all. And we gotta remember that and really really really enjoy it. It will not come again. That's the most amazing part of this dynasty... how are you ever going to capture lightning in a bottle after the dream that was 1995? Then Sue and D ... and that can't possibly happen ever again... Maya and Tina ... 4 for 4 NCs, 111 wins ... that can never happen again, can it? Paige and the 2020 kids, the 21 group... maybe lightning really can strike multiple times in Storrs
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Post by bulkey on Feb 26, 2021 9:56:47 GMT -5
I'm not on the "this will be an amazing team" train quite yet. Sure, the guard talent is unreal. And the potential underneath is very, very strong.
But to truly dominate, you need a big that people fear. Not just excellent, not just strategically good, but really fearful. Someone the other excellent teams need to game plan against. Someone who can and will break your heart by scoring 18 and snatching 15 ribbies on her own, while the rest of the team just bombs away. Someone whom you don't want to drive the lane and face.
I certainly think Aaliyah can grow into that role. Just have to wait and see.
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Post by bluedevil on Feb 26, 2021 10:09:25 GMT -5
It seems like Azzi will take Evina's place in the starting lineup next season. I know she is a great shooter but is she a good defender and rebounder and passer too?
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Post by swash on Feb 26, 2021 11:54:07 GMT -5
I'm not on the "this will be an amazing team" train quite yet. Sure, the guard talent is unreal. And the potential underneath is very, very strong. But to truly dominate, you need a big that people fear. Not just excellent, not just strategically good, but really fearful. Someone the other excellent teams need to game plan against. Someone who can and will break your heart by scoring 18 and snatching 15 ribbies on her own, while the rest of the team just bombs away. Someone whom you don't want to drive the lane and face. I certainly think Aaliyah can grow into that role. Just have to wait and see. Having a generational player at every position ... would be great, of course ... but let me challenge your statement. Diana's teams didn't have that awe-inspiring big. It could be argued that Kara Walters didn't quite make that level until after Rebecca left. Maya had Tina, but Tina wasn't fully dominant until later in her career. Stewie was tall, but the things that made her terrifying were not centered upon her utter command of the paint (though she did do that at times, and teams certainly feared her). Can we agree that Oregon was among the favorites in the tourney that wasn't? Ruthie Hebert was good, but no better than Liv is today. She was more similar to Aaliyah in that respect. Hustle for rebounds, but mostly score because the defense is focused on stopping the guard who then passes for an uncontested bunny. Brittany Griner, Kalani Brown, Tierra McCowan, ... even A'sa Wilson were dominant bigs, but only made it to the stars when their teams got top notch guard play. Further, that deficit may not be as big a worry as you allude. Next year Liv and Aaliyah will be more comfortable with their roles and with each other, plus there will be additional talent that defenders simply cannot leave even for a second. Aubrey will still be here and presumably will continue to provide "can't keep her on the bench" moments. Amari is 6'5", a top prospect and McD AA ... and can run the floor. Will need a mean streak, but who better to teach that than Jamelle? And don't forget Piath. The physical tools (size, strength, athleticism) are there. She seems to be picking up when to pass - she may even lead the team in assists per minute. Yep-she's probably not a factor in the rotation until at least the following year, but she's one of those kids who came to basketball late in life. That is often a profile that often portends a rapid development curve. Did I mention that she is being tutored by the GOAT of women's college basketball coaches? Regular seasons are often in the hands of bigs. Tournaments are usually won or lost by the guards ... And ours are going to be crazy good and extremely deep.
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Post by swash on Feb 26, 2021 12:01:42 GMT -5
It seems like Azzi will take Evina's place in the starting lineup next season. I know she is a great shooter but is she a good defender and rebounder and passer too? Always hard to convert from HS to University because the competition levels are so vastly different. But she rebounds well, and is very strong - no string bean like Paige. She is clearly a combo guard, able to play the point, and a better passer than Christyn. But not the distributing magic that we see from Paige and Nika. As for defending one vs one, and in the UCONN switching model? ... we'll have to wait and see. She will have the advantage that her offensive capabilities will be good enough that she can really concentrate on developing on the defensive end.
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Post by bulkey on Feb 26, 2021 12:40:09 GMT -5
I'm not on the "this will be an amazing team" train quite yet. Sure, the guard talent is unreal. And the potential underneath is very, very strong. But to truly dominate, you need a big that people fear. Not just excellent, not just strategically good, but really fearful. Someone the other excellent teams need to game plan against. Someone who can and will break your heart by scoring 18 and snatching 15 ribbies on her own, while the rest of the team just bombs away. Someone whom you don't want to drive the lane and face. I certainly think Aaliyah can grow into that role. Just have to wait and see. Having a generational player at every position ... would be great, of course ... but let me challenge your statement. Diana's teams didn't have that awe-inspiring big. It could be argued that Kara Walters didn't quite make that level until after Rebecca left. Maya had Tina, but Tina wasn't fully dominant until later in her career. Stewie was tall, but the things that made her terrifying were not centered upon her utter command of the paint (though she did do that at times, and teams certainly feared her). Can we agree that Oregon was among the favorites in the tourney that wasn't? Ruthie Hebert was good, but no better than Liv is today. She was more similar to Aaliyah in that respect. Hustle for rebounds, but mostly score because the defense is focused on stopping the guard who then passes for an uncontested bunny. Brittany Griner, Kalani Brown, Tierra McCowan, ... even A'sa Wilson were dominant bigs, but only made it to the stars when their teams got top notch guard play. Further, that deficit may not be as big a worry as you allude. Next year Liv and Aaliyah will be more comfortable with their roles and with each other, plus there will be additional talent that defenders simply cannot leave even for a second. Aubrey will still be here and presumably will continue to provide "can't keep her on the bench" moments. Amari is 6'5", a top prospect and McD AA ... and can run the floor. Will need a mean streak, but who better to teach that than Jamelle? And don't forget Piath. The physical tools (size, strength, athleticism) are there. She seems to be picking up when to pass - she may even lead the team in assists per minute. Yep-she's probably not a factor in the rotation until at least the following year, but she's one of those kids who came to basketball late in life. That is often a profile that often portends a rapid development curve. Did I mention that she is being tutored by the GOAT of women's college basketball coaches? Regular seasons are often in the hands of bigs. Tournaments are usually won or lost by the guards ... And ours are going to be crazy good and extremely deep. I completely agree with you swash about the past. I think the difference between then and now is the remarkable increase in available talent at other schools. South Carolina is especially loaded, but Stanford is terrific, and we are seeing other schools in the top 4 or 5 who are playing at a higher level than the top 5 used to play at. This is the inevitable (and welcomed!) effect of professional women's basketball as well as the transfer of training techniques to the girls'/women's game, and not a little to do with feminism also. Let's remember in all this that we only played 3 competitive OOC games this year, and each was decided in the final seconds. We are 2-1; we could have been 3-0 or 0-3. The only way to truly dominate WCBB today is to have a dominant big.
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Post by swash on Feb 26, 2021 13:35:37 GMT -5
I agree that there is more talent and there are more teams with top talent than ever before. But that doesn't prove your point.
Let's look only at this year to get out of the history part of the question:
-SCar fits your model perfectly, but does anyone else? -NCST ... maybe. -Baylor, or Louisville? Nope. -Stanford has a mess of talent, but not a dominant big.
Liv is right up there with anyone except Boston. Charlie Collier (almost certainly gone next year) may be the second best center in the game right now, and her stats are no better (different, yes) than Liv's ... and we have Aaliyah to compliment Olivia ... who else can say that? Not even SCar.
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Post by meyers7 on Feb 26, 2021 13:46:09 GMT -5
I'm not on the "this will be an amazing team" train quite yet. Sure, the guard talent is unreal. And the potential underneath is very, very strong. But to truly dominate, you need a big that people fear. Not just excellent, not just strategically good, but really fearful. Someone the other excellent teams need to game plan against. Someone who can and will break your heart by scoring 18 and snatching 15 ribbies on her own, while the rest of the team just bombs away. Someone whom you don't want to drive the lane and face. The 2001-2002 team would disagree with you.
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Post by bulkey on Feb 26, 2021 14:07:29 GMT -5
I'm not on the "this will be an amazing team" train quite yet. Sure, the guard talent is unreal. And the potential underneath is very, very strong. But to truly dominate, you need a big that people fear. Not just excellent, not just strategically good, but really fearful. Someone the other excellent teams need to game plan against. Someone who can and will break your heart by scoring 18 and snatching 15 ribbies on her own, while the rest of the team just bombs away. Someone whom you don't want to drive the lane and face. The 2001-2002 team would disagree with you. True. Perhaps the most dominant season in WCBB history. Like I said, the game has improved since then. In 2001-2002, there wasn't another team that could face up to them (ND, which gave them fits the previous year, really sucked; Tenn was still playing its old style ball). Today, there are several really strong programs and five or six coaches who can recruit with UConn and really know the game. UConn certainly hasn't dominated in the 3 OOC games its played this year. For it to dominate next year, I believes it needs a ferocious player in the front court as well as its once-in-a-generation backcourt. Not saying it won't happen. Aaliyah is pretty ferocious.
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