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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 10:46:49 GMT -5
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Jan 26, 2021 15:25:43 GMT -5
It's out of the news now, but I recall after a couple of weeks it being reported that the pilot and equipment were not cleared to fly in those conditions. Adding aggravation to injury the flight was hardly necessary; call it a short cut. What a foolish waste of young lives.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 19:11:50 GMT -5
It's out of the news now, but I recall after a couple of weeks it being reported that the pilot and equipment were not cleared to fly in those conditions. Adding aggravation to injury the flight was hardly necessary; call it a short cut. What a foolish waste of young lives. Yes the flight was almost doomed given the weather conditions (fog & mist), the mountainous terrain, the altitude, weight of passengers, pilot flying above his abilities, lack of equipment to give accurate altitude and more..............  Hindsight is 20 20, but flying is serious business and the pilot & company cut too many corners? NTSB report should come out this year and it'll likely blame the pilot / company /equipment / weather conditions.......a damn shame!!!  With a high profile or famous customer one often doesn't want to disappoint, but safety is paramount and it's the pilot's duty to inform his customer of the situation! The pilot probably just figured it'd be a little tricky, but no problem?? |
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Post by swash on Jan 26, 2021 20:40:18 GMT -5
It's out of the news now, but I recall after a couple of weeks it being reported that the pilot and equipment were not cleared to fly in those conditions. Adding aggravation to injury the flight was hardly necessary; call it a short cut. What a foolish waste of young lives. Yes the flight was almost doomed given the weather conditions (fog & mist), the mountainous terrain, the altitude, weight of passengers, pilot flying above his abilities, lack of equipment to give accurate altitude and more.............. Hindsight is 20 20, but flying is serious business and the pilot & company cut too many corners? NTSB report should come out this year and it'll likely blame the pilot / company /equipment / weather conditions.......a damn shame!!! With a high profile or famous customer one often doesn't want to disappoint, but safety is paramount and it's the pilot's duty to inform his customer of the situation! The pilot probably just figured it'd be a little tricky, but no problem?? You have recurring deep insights into the aviation arena. Do you fly yourself, or is it just an interest of yours, @ken? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 21:41:14 GMT -5
Yes the flight was almost doomed given the weather conditions (fog & mist), the mountainous terrain, the altitude, weight of passengers, pilot flying above his abilities, lack of equipment to give accurate altitude and more.............. Hindsight is 20 20, but flying is serious business and the pilot & company cut too many corners? NTSB report should come out this year and it'll likely blame the pilot / company /equipment / weather conditions.......a damn shame!!! With a high profile or famous customer one often doesn't want to disappoint, but safety is paramount and it's the pilot's duty to inform his customer of the situation! The pilot probably just figured it'd be a little tricky, but no problem?? You have recurring deep insights into the aviation arena. Do you fly yourself, or is it just an interest of yours, @ken ? I flew in the service back during the 60s - 70s beginning with the early 'Hueys' (Bell UH-1 Iroquois), then F-4s (Phantoms) and finally AV-8A (Harriers)........seems like just yesterday!! Haven't flown since as I already had at least 9 lives and I figured I was cutting it close already!! The Harriers were actually the most dangerous and; long after I had flown them, the LA Times did a series profiling many of their problems which garnered them a Pulitzer Prize in 2003. www.pulitzer.org/winners/alan-miller-and-kevin-sack |
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Post by huskyharper on Jan 27, 2021 18:12:03 GMT -5
You have recurring deep insights into the aviation arena. Do you fly yourself, or is it just an interest of yours, @ken ? I flew in the service back during the 60s - 70s beginning with the early 'Hueys' (Bell UH-1 Iroquois), then F-4s (Phantoms) and finally AV-8A (Harriers)........seems like just yesterday!! Haven't flown since as I already had at least 9 lives and I figured I was cutting it close already!! The Harriers were actually the most dangerous and; long after I had flown them, the LA Times did a series profiling many of their problems which garnered them a Pulitzer Prize in 2003. www.pulitzer.org/winners/alan-miller-and-kevin-sack Thank you for your service, and for adding your expertise to this board. Appreciated! |
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Post by UConnChapette on Jan 27, 2021 18:33:53 GMT -5
I flew in the service back during the 60s - 70s beginning with the early 'Hueys' (Bell UH-1 Iroquois), then F-4s (Phantoms) and finally AV-8A (Harriers)........seems like just yesterday!! Haven't flown since as I already had at least 9 lives and I figured I was cutting it close already!! The Harriers were actually the most dangerous and; long after I had flown them, the LA Times did a series profiling many of their problems which garnered them a Pulitzer Prize in 2003. www.pulitzer.org/winners/alan-miller-and-kevin-sack Thank you for your service, and for adding your expertise to this board. Appreciated! +1000 |
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Post by knightsbridgeaz on Jan 27, 2021 18:37:01 GMT -5
It's out of the news now, but I recall after a couple of weeks it being reported that the pilot and equipment were not cleared to fly in those conditions. Adding aggravation to injury the flight was hardly necessary; call it a short cut. What a foolish waste of young lives. Yes the flight was almost doomed given the weather conditions (fog & mist), the mountainous terrain, the altitude, weight of passengers, pilot flying above his abilities, lack of equipment to give accurate altitude and more.............. Hindsight is 20 20, but flying is serious business and the pilot & company cut too many corners? NTSB report should come out this year and it'll likely blame the pilot / company /equipment / weather conditions.......a damn shame!!! With a high profile or famous customer one often doesn't want to disappoint, but safety is paramount and it's the pilot's duty to inform his customer of the situation! The pilot probably just figured it'd be a little tricky, but no problem?? I read a long article the other day. It is most likely indeed that pilot error and judgement doomed the flight, which will result in a very large settlement coming the Bryant's ways. That said, the article was about the pilot, who essentially was Kobe's "personal" pilot, in the end a friend as well as a pilot. I have no doubt that Kobe encouraged the flight to happen, and yes, that is where the pilot probably didn't want to disappoint. However, after reading the article, I'm pretty sure from his point of view he thought he could do it. Not the first time bad judgement resulted in a very bad outcome. Just sad. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 18:40:29 GMT -5
I flew in the service back during the 60s - 70s beginning with the early 'Hueys' (Bell UH-1 Iroquois), then F-4s (Phantoms) and finally AV-8A (Harriers)........seems like just yesterday!! Haven't flown since as I already had at least 9 lives and I figured I was cutting it close already!! The Harriers were actually the most dangerous and; long after I had flown them, the LA Times did a series profiling many of their problems which garnered them a Pulitzer Prize in 2003. www.pulitzer.org/winners/alan-miller-and-kevin-sack Thank you for your service, and for adding your expertise to this board. Appreciated! THANK YOU!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 18:45:55 GMT -5
Yes the flight was almost doomed given the weather conditions (fog & mist), the mountainous terrain, the altitude, weight of passengers, pilot flying above his abilities, lack of equipment to give accurate altitude and more.............. Hindsight is 20 20, but flying is serious business and the pilot & company cut too many corners? NTSB report should come out this year and it'll likely blame the pilot / company /equipment / weather conditions.......a damn shame!!! With a high profile or famous customer one often doesn't want to disappoint, but safety is paramount and it's the pilot's duty to inform his customer of the situation! The pilot probably just figured it'd be a little tricky, but no problem?? I read a long article the other day. It is most likely indeed that pilot error and judgement doomed the flight, which will result in a very large settlement coming the Bryant's ways. That said, the article was about the pilot, who essentially was Kobe's "personal" pilot, in the end a friend as well as a pilot. I have no doubt that Kobe encouraged the flight to happen, and yes, that is where the pilot probably didn't want to disappoint. However, after reading the article, I'm pretty sure from his point of view he thought he could do it. Not the first time bad judgement resulted in a very bad outcome. Just sad. I'm addicted to this program that is sometimes shown here on the Weather Channel: "Why Planes Crash" and at least half of the time pilot error or not experienced enough are the primary causes! There are very few pilots who have what Chesley Sullenberger had on that fateful day!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesley_Sullenberger |
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Post by UConnChapette on Jan 27, 2021 19:14:16 GMT -5
My mother-in-law came out to Omaha for my oldest son’s first birthday in July of 1989. She happened to arrive the same day as the crash in Sioux City Iowa. That was another case of a phenomenal job of flying a plane where the hydraulics were critically impacted. If I remember correctly, the plane could only be flown in a circular flight pattern in one direction. While the results were not as good as Sully Sullenberger’s, the flight crew was credited with saving the lives of 184 out of the 296 passengers and crew. I remember watching the news and seeing passengers walking out of the corn fields. We quickly called my husband’s siblings to reassure them she arrived safely in Omaha. Back in those days the news was not quite as instant, although because the part failure happened over Iowa there was enough advance notice that news crews were waiting at the airport and caught the crash and the flipping plane on camera. Being a neighbor to Iowa, the Omaha news had special coverage. I have a fascination with plane crashes for some odd reason, and I have watched the “Why Planes Crash” too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 19:46:36 GMT -5
My mother-in-law came out to Omaha for my oldest son’s first birthday in July of 1989. She happened to arrive the same day as the crash in Sioux City Iowa. That was another case of a phenomenal job of flying a plane where the hydraulics were critically impacted. If I remember correctly, the plane could only be flown in a circular flight pattern in one direction. While the results were not as good as Sully Sullenberger’s, the flight crew was credited with saving the lives of 184 out of the 296 passengers and crew. I remember watching the news and seeing passengers walking out of the corn fields. We quickly called my husband’s siblings to reassure them she arrived safely in Omaha. Back in those days the news was not quite as instant, although because the part failure happened over Iowa there was enough advance notice that news crews were waiting at the airport and caught the crash and the flipping plane on camera. Being a neighbor to Iowa, the Omaha news had special coverage. I have a fascination with plane crashes for some odd reason, and I have watched the “Why Planes Crash” too. Sullenberger was very fortunate in that he was so close to the river, it was during daylight and so many rescue units from various agencies were nearby!! But he did do an amazing job that day!! Back in December 1995 I was booked on a flight that crashed in Colombia, but I changed dates the day before as I had a real estate closing that was delayed here. That crash was a terrible one with many deaths and totally preventable!! It was an American Airlines plane and a language misunderstanding on the pilots' part led to the crash?? It was really unfortunate that neither the pilot nor the co-pilot asked for translation assistance from the BILINGUAL stewardesses?? Sometimes you need to think outside the box and get help!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_965#:~:text=On%20December%2020%2C%201995%2C%20the%20Boeing%20757-200%20flying,the%20deadliest%20aviation%20accident%20to%20occur%20in%20Colombia. Further back in January 1990 I was a volunteer fireman near where the Avianca Flight 52 crashed and I assisted with the rescue! That flight was totally preventable and the plane ran out of fuel waiting to land at a backed up JFK Airport!! The co-pilots were essentially afraid to tell the captain how low their fuel supply was and that's what happened in a nutshell?? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52 |
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Hindsight is 20 20, but flying is serious business and the pilot & company cut too many corners? NTSB report should come out this year and it'll likely blame the pilot / company /equipment / weather conditions.......a damn shame!!! 
