BJ42
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Post by BJ42 on Apr 23, 2024 12:19:35 GMT -5
To my eye, it looks like Ice gained a fair amount of weight since that pic was taken. That could explain her struggles last year. If so, she has her future in her control. Interesting. Maybe Ice gained weight while inactive the previous year. Clearly, she wasn't in playing fit when this season started. But by the end, I thought she looked super-duper-duper fit, and, in fact, in one game played all 40 minutes. She runs the floor really well now. Correction: Brady played 40 mpg in back to back days of BET games. Anyone who thinks she was out of shape is grasping because they don't understand how difficult it is for bigs to play in UConn's O and D schemes in a first season on the floor in games.
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Post by magic on Apr 23, 2024 12:27:59 GMT -5
Actually I was liking Beers. right, but it shows that you knew they played against one another, so it was a matter of whether Ice faced good competition in her pre-college years. I was speaking about consistent competition, not one game. Tell you what. Give me a set of average numbers for next season you expect from Ice . I'll do the same . We'll revisit next season at this time . See who figured her stats closer .
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Post by huskyharper on Apr 23, 2024 12:38:40 GMT -5
I'll take that challenge, Magic. If Ice starts, she'll get 8 and 6. Off the bench, more than 15 minutes she'll get the same.
I'm being Very conservative, but she'll only be a sophomore.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 23, 2024 13:34:11 GMT -5
right, but it shows that you knew they played against one another, so it was a matter of whether Ice faced good competition in her pre-college years. I was speaking about consistent competition, not one game. Tell you what. Give me a set of average numbers for next season you expect from Ice . I'll do the same . We'll revisit next season at this time . See who figured her stats closer . No one in high school has "consistent competition" against top talent. That's the nature of the sport at that level. She played plenty of games of that nature. I was just pointing to one.
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Post by magic on Apr 23, 2024 13:51:07 GMT -5
I'll take that challenge, Magic. If Ice starts, she'll get 8 and 6. Off the bench, more than 15 minutes she'll get the same. I'm being Very conservative, but she'll only be a sophomore. I would say 7 and 4, so we're pretty close in our assessment, and I am being gracious with that number. Those numbers will never get uconn a championship next season. We got 17 and 9 from Aayaliyah and she needed more help. So, tell me where the rest comes from? You will probably speculate Jana will do this or that. But again that is hopeful speculation for a player that hasn't played one game yet.In fact , Q had numbers equal to Ice with less playing time.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 23, 2024 14:23:37 GMT -5
I'll take that challenge, Magic. If Ice starts, she'll get 8 and 6. Off the bench, more than 15 minutes she'll get the same. I'm being Very conservative, but she'll only be a sophomore. I would say 7 and 4, so we're pretty close in our assessment, and I am being gracious with that number. Those numbers will never get uconn a championship next season. We got 17 and 9 from Aayaliyah and she needed more help. So, tell me where the rest comes from? You will probably speculate Jana will do this or that. But again that is hopeful speculation for a player that hasn't played one game yet.In fact , Q had numbers equal to Ice with less playing time. You do realize she did better than that in just 15 minutes of the highest pressure game she played this year? You can't compare Q to Ice. Ice: 1. played a position with maximum learning curve and responsibility; 2. she hadn't played competitive ball in over a year. This is apples and oranges. During her first 2 years, Stef Dolson started and averaged around 24 minutes for 10 and 6. Ice will easily get those numbers next year.
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Post by linkster on Apr 24, 2024 0:12:41 GMT -5
I'll take that challenge, Magic. If Ice starts, she'll get 8 and 6. Off the bench, more than 15 minutes she'll get the same. I'm being Very conservative, but she'll only be a sophomore. I would say 7 and 4, so we're pretty close in our assessment, and I am being gracious with that number. Those numbers will never get uconn a championship next season. We got 17 and 9 from Aayaliyah and she needed more help. So, tell me where the rest comes from? You will probably speculate Jana will do this or that. But again that is hopeful speculation for a player that hasn't played one game yet.In fact , Q had numbers equal to Ice with less playing time. Check out the 3pt contest next 1st night. Bueckers, Fudd, Ziebell. Speculation is what this thread is about. UConn has one of their best group of 1st year players coming in. Last year's group contributed 29/12.5/6 last season. This year's new players have better offensive skills.
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Post by magic on Apr 24, 2024 8:12:44 GMT -5
I would say 7 and 4, so we're pretty close in our assessment, and I am being gracious with that number. Those numbers will never get uconn a championship next season. We got 17 and 9 from Aayaliyah and she needed more help. So, tell me where the rest comes from? You will probably speculate Jana will do this or that. But again that is hopeful speculation for a player that hasn't played one game yet.In fact , Q had numbers equal to Ice with less playing time. Check out the 3pt contest next 1st night. Bueckers, Fudd, Ziebell. Speculation is what this thread is about. UConn has one of their best group of 1st year players coming in. Last year's group contributed 29/12.5/6 last season. This year's new players have better offensive skills. 3 pt. contest ? Really ?
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Post by huskyharper on Apr 24, 2024 12:24:38 GMT -5
Remember, I said I was being conservative, expecting Azzi, Paige, etc. To be shooting up a storm. When we're getting 20 pts per superstar, the rest of the team just needs to be solid, scoring at a good percentage.
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Post by linkster on Apr 24, 2024 13:53:14 GMT -5
Check out the 3pt contest next 1st night. Bueckers, Fudd, Ziebell. Speculation is what this thread is about. UConn has one of their best group of 1st year players coming in. Last year's group contributed 29/12.5/6 last season. This year's new players have better offensive skills. 3 pt. contest ? Really ? You were asking where the pts/rbs will come from. Scoring will not be an issue if UConn stays healthy. Whenever a starter leaves some posters fret over who will "replace" them. Someone else has to run the point. Someone will have to play the 4/5. I'm not in the least bit concerned.
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Post by doggydaddy on Apr 24, 2024 14:03:01 GMT -5
I would say 7 and 4, so we're pretty close in our assessment, and I am being gracious with that number. Those numbers will never get uconn a championship next season. We got 17 and 9 from Aayaliyah and she needed more help. So, tell me where the rest comes from? You will probably speculate Jana will do this or that. But again that is hopeful speculation for a player that hasn't played one game yet.In fact , Q had numbers equal to Ice with less playing time. You do realize she did better than that in just 15 minutes of the highest pressure game she played this year? You can't compare Q to Ice. Ice: 1. played a position with maximum learning curve and responsibility; 2. she hadn't played competitive ball in over a year. This is apples and oranges. During her first 2 years, Stef Dolson started and averaged around 24 minutes for 10 and 6. Ice will easily get those numbers next year. It's beginning to smell like the Nika postings from last season. And I think it stinks. If she averages 8 and 6 then it's only 9 and 3 that has to be coming from elsewhere. I would guess that between Patterson, El Alfy, and Strong, they will be enough to hit those numbers.
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Post by semper on Apr 24, 2024 14:49:41 GMT -5
Man, I can't wait to see El Alfy play...oh Man that kid is going to be great!
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Post by magic on Apr 24, 2024 15:25:12 GMT -5
You do realize she did better than that in just 15 minutes of the highest pressure game she played this year? You can't compare Q to Ice. Ice: 1. played a position with maximum learning curve and responsibility; 2. she hadn't played competitive ball in over a year. This is apples and oranges. During her first 2 years, Stef Dolson started and averaged around 24 minutes for 10 and 6. Ice will easily get those numbers next year. It's beginning to smell like the Nika postings from last season. And I think it stinks. If she averages 8 and 6 then it's only 9 and 3 that has to be coming from elsewhere. I would guess that between Patterson, El Alfy, and Strong, they will be enough to hit those numbers. DD. I have never said anything negative regarding Nika. In fact I won't even mention my concern for having to replace Nika's toughness and will . To mention Patterson who has never shown anyting at all yet, is a stretch for me. But if you are going to " guarantee " Jana can match Dorka's 14 and 10, Ice will get 8 and 6, SS will get 12 and 6 ( since she is the new rookie star ) , maybe I can agree with the case. But, remember, Azzi is going to be playing a full game for quite awhile. I pray Caroline is healthy and back at the 3. Aubrey may be able to give 15 minutes by February. I believe Ashlynn and KK will be solid . But, I do find the fact that Ice's position is far more difficult than Q's on the court to be just nonsense.
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Post by doggydaddy on Apr 24, 2024 15:46:29 GMT -5
It's beginning to smell like the Nika postings from last season. And I think it stinks. If she averages 8 and 6 then it's only 9 and 3 that has to be coming from elsewhere. I would guess that between Patterson, El Alfy, and Strong, they will be enough to hit those numbers. DD. I have never said anything negative regarding Nika. In fact I won't even mention my concern for having to replace Nika's toughness and will . To mention Patterson who has never shown anyting at all yet, is a stretch for me. But if you are going to " guarantee " Jana can match Dorka's 14 and 10, Ice will get 8 and 6, SS will get 12 and 6 ( since she is the new rookie star ) , maybe I can agree with the case. But, remember, Azzi is going to be playing a full game for quite awhile. I pray Caroline is healthy and back at the 3. Aubrey may be able to give 15 minutes by February. I believe Ashlynn and KK will be solid . Never said you did. It's more of the style of being so negative about a particular player. Last year was Nika. This time is seems to be Ice. You have mentions how little you think of her game and how little she will bring next season. That's all I meant. Dorka? Her 14 and 10 was two years ago. Irrelavant. You were worrying about Edwards 17 and 9. You didn't mention another player. Wow, Patterson hasn't shown you anything? She missed all season. And her true freshman season she played hurt. But she did show glimpses (yes that word again) against a couple of teams, 10 points against Maryland, 9 against Butler. She shot 46% on the season and 72% on free throws. I haven't come close to giving up on her. But I'll guarantee that Jana, Ice, Strong, Patterson and I'll add in Griffin (She will be back earlier than February) will double Edwards numbers. Maybe more. It all depends on minutes played for each. Players leave and the new team has a new identity. There is plenty of toughness and will on the returning players. Based on how you see it, it sounds like we are doomed though.
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Post by jonathan on Apr 24, 2024 20:53:21 GMT -5
Well, maybe you live in California and saw her play , I didn't . I only watched some highlight games and some US basketball stuff. I am commenting on what I saw at Uconn games . I have seen no evidence so far that she can play at the level of Iriafen, Cunningham, JUJU or anyone else you want to mention. She filled in admirably for Aaliyah when there was noone else. You know all Americans aren't ejected from the womb with a perfect turnaround jump shot, right? When Mojeff was a freshman, the student section would quietly mumble ... why is he putting her in? Gabby was a ball of energy going everywhere and getting nowhere. Aaliyah got whistled for her first foul on the way to the table to check in Tina was only soso in her first year Katie Lou clanked her first 27 three point attempts Even Stewie had her early struggles If you don't see promise in Brady, you aren't looking closely enough. She's not going to be NPoY next season, but she will contribute. Advanced stats in first year: Ice: ws/40=.123, BPM=5.2 Moriah: ws/40=.203, BPM=8.8 Aaliyah: ws/40=.299, BPM=11.5 Gabby: ws/40=.410, BPM=15.7 Breanna: ws/40=.387, BPM=16.4 Tina: ws/40=.418, BPM is unavailable Katie Lou: ws/40=.323, BPM=14.6 Ice is below all of them. She is only close to Moriah and a differential of 3.6 is NOT negligible. Ice did NOT live up to the hype. That isn't her fault. Too many people thought they saw something that just wasn't there. And while she may still become a critical member of the team, it is unlikely that she will ever be as much of a contributor as any of the players you mentioned. Beers had a ws/40 of .247 and a BPM of 9.1 in her freshman year and .336 and 16.4 last year. And she can play well with her back to the basket. We have one more year of Paige and Azzi and it is the only year with them and Strong. If we can add Beers, we do it and we do it in a nanosecond. Jana or Ice can play the 4 if either of them manages to play up to the hype. And, even with those two shots, I still take Iriafen if given the choice. If not, honestly, I take Chen, move Paige to PF and Strong to the 4 aside Beers.
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Post by swash on Apr 24, 2024 21:14:10 GMT -5
You know all Americans aren't ejected from the womb with a perfect turnaround jump shot, right? When Mojeff was a freshman, the student section would quietly mumble ... why is he putting her in? Gabby was a ball of energy going everywhere and getting nowhere. Aaliyah got whistled for her first foul on the way to the table to check in Tina was only soso in her first year Katie Lou clanked her first 27 three point attempts Even Stewie had her early struggles If you don't see promise in Brady, you aren't looking closely enough. She's not going to be NPoY next season, but she will contribute. Advanced stats in first year: Ice: ws/40=.123, BPM=5.2 Moriah: ws/40=.203, BPM=8.8 Aaliyah: ws/40=.299, BPM=11.5 Breanna: ws/40=.387, BPM=16.4 Tina: ws/40=.418, BPM is unavailable Katie Lou: ws/40=.323, BPM=14.6 Ice is below all of them. She is only close to Moriah and a differential of 3.6 is NOT negligible. Ice did NOT live up to the hype. That isn't her fault. Too many people thought they saw something that just wasn't there. And while she may still become a critical member of the team, it is unlikely that she will ever be as much of a contributor as any of the players you mentioned. Beers had a ws/40 of .247 and a BPM of 9.1 in her freshman year and .336 and 16.4 last year. And she can play well with her back to the basket. We have one more year of Paige and Azzi and it is the only year with them and Strong. If we can add Beers, we do it and we do it in a nanosecond. Jana or Ice can play the 4 if either of them manages to play up to the hype. And, even with those two shots, I still take Iriafen if given the choice. If not, honestly, I take Chen, move Paige to PF and Strong to the 4 aside Beers. Yep. My point was that some outstanding players had rocky times as freshmen. Ice has room to do the same. Let's hope she amazes us. Both.
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Post by linkster on Apr 24, 2024 21:16:19 GMT -5
Getting back to the freshmen
Any one of the four 1st year players would have most D1 teams doing back flips. Strong looks as polished and ready as any 1st year player since Bueckers. Her DNA is well known. Cheli has been leading one of the top HS programs and has starred in many BIG games for Mitty. Her greatest asset? Her BBIQ. A three level scorer, versatile and a very good rebounder. Ziebell is a prolific 3 pt shooter who likes to take the ball into the hole. Her greatest asset acording to her coach? Competitiveness. A coaches kid. High BBIQ. El Alfy could be the best of the bunch given her god-given physical tools. She had 7 months at Storrs before she damaged her achilles and Geno was impressed.
UConn could start those 4 and Bueckers and be top 10. Bueckers would break the season record for assists. There should be a 24/7 party going on. But UConn fans ignore the array of talent in front of them and fret over the absolute need for portal players. Even myself. UConn needs a tough sonofabitch to come off the bench for 20 minutes a game and get 3 or 4 non-shooting fouls called on her while inhaling rebounds. Does Stokes have any eligibility?
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Post by bulkey on Apr 24, 2024 21:18:22 GMT -5
You know all Americans aren't ejected from the womb with a perfect turnaround jump shot, right? When Mojeff was a freshman, the student section would quietly mumble ... why is he putting her in? Gabby was a ball of energy going everywhere and getting nowhere. Aaliyah got whistled for her first foul on the way to the table to check in Tina was only soso in her first year Katie Lou clanked her first 27 three point attempts Even Stewie had her early struggles If you don't see promise in Brady, you aren't looking closely enough. She's not going to be NPoY next season, but she will contribute. Advanced stats in first year: Ice: ws/40=.123, BPM=5.2 Moriah: ws/40=.203, BPM=8.8 Aaliyah: ws/40=.299, BPM=11.5 Gabby: ws/40=.410, BPM=15.7 Breanna: ws/40=.387, BPM=16.4 Tina: ws/40=.418, BPM is unavailable Katie Lou: ws/40=.323, BPM=14.6 Ice is below all of them. She is only close to Moriah and a differential of 3.6 is NOT negligible. Ice did NOT live up to the hype. That isn't her fault. Too many people thought they saw something that just wasn't there. And while she may still become a critical member of the team, it is unlikely that she will ever be as much of a contributor as any of the players you mentioned. Beers had a ws/40 of .247 and a BPM of 9.1 in her freshman year and .336 and 16.4 last year. And she can play well with her back to the basket. We have one more year of Paige and Azzi and it is the only year with them and Strong. If we can add Beers, we do it and we do it in a nanosecond. Jana or Ice can play the 4 if either of them manages to play up to the hype. And, even with those two shots, I still take Iriafen if given the choice. If not, honestly, I take Chen, move Paige to PF and Strong to the 4 aside Beers. I'd like to see if it were possible to divide Ice's year in half and analyze the 2nd half. She had sat out for a year and it was obvious that at the beginning of this season she wasn't in basketball shape, either mentally or physically. By the end of the year, she made the all-tournament team in the Big East and was really productive against Iowa.
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Post by jonathan on Apr 24, 2024 21:21:29 GMT -5
Advanced stats in first year: Ice: ws/40=.123, BPM=5.2 Moriah: ws/40=.203, BPM=8.8 Aaliyah: ws/40=.299, BPM=11.5 Breanna: ws/40=.387, BPM=16.4 Tina: ws/40=.418, BPM is unavailable Katie Lou: ws/40=.323, BPM=14.6 Ice is below all of them. She is only close to Moriah and a differential of 3.6 is NOT negligible. Ice did NOT live up to the hype. That isn't her fault. Too many people thought they saw something that just wasn't there. And while she may still become a critical member of the team, it is unlikely that she will ever be as much of a contributor as any of the players you mentioned. Beers had a ws/40 of .247 and a BPM of 9.1 in her freshman year and .336 and 16.4 last year. And she can play well with her back to the basket. We have one more year of Paige and Azzi and it is the only year with them and Strong. If we can add Beers, we do it and we do it in a nanosecond. Jana or Ice can play the 4 if either of them manages to play up to the hype. And, even with those two shots, I still take Iriafen if given the choice. If not, honestly, I take Chen, move Paige to PF and Strong to the 4 aside Beers. Yep. My point was that some outstanding players had rocky times as freshmen. Ice has room to do the same. Let's hope she amazes us. Both. Unfortunately, your point is not accurate. Most of the players you mentioned had really really good freshman seasons. All of them had a better season than Ice did. None of them struggled as much as she did. Beers is already playing at a championship level. You hope Ice will get there some day. Hope is not a plan.
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Post by jonathan on Apr 24, 2024 21:25:52 GMT -5
Advanced stats in first year: Ice: ws/40=.123, BPM=5.2 Moriah: ws/40=.203, BPM=8.8 Aaliyah: ws/40=.299, BPM=11.5 Gabby: ws/40=.410, BPM=15.7 Breanna: ws/40=.387, BPM=16.4 Tina: ws/40=.418, BPM is unavailable Katie Lou: ws/40=.323, BPM=14.6 Ice is below all of them. She is only close to Moriah and a differential of 3.6 is NOT negligible. Ice did NOT live up to the hype. That isn't her fault. Too many people thought they saw something that just wasn't there. And while she may still become a critical member of the team, it is unlikely that she will ever be as much of a contributor as any of the players you mentioned. Beers had a ws/40 of .247 and a BPM of 9.1 in her freshman year and .336 and 16.4 last year. And she can play well with her back to the basket. We have one more year of Paige and Azzi and it is the only year with them and Strong. If we can add Beers, we do it and we do it in a nanosecond. Jana or Ice can play the 4 if either of them manages to play up to the hype. And, even with those two shots, I still take Iriafen if given the choice. If not, honestly, I take Chen, move Paige to PF and Strong to the 4 aside Beers. I'd like to see if it were possible to divide Ice's year in half and analyze the 2nd half. She had sat out for a year and it was obvious that at the beginning of this season she wasn't in basketball shape, either mentally or physically. By the end of the year, she made the all-tournament team in the Big East and was really productive against Iowa. It is possible to do that but I am not up for that much work. I can tell you that, yes, her second half was definitely better. How? Because I recall looking at her stats at some point during the season and her BPM was negative at that time. But, honestly, almost every freshman has a better second half and there is no way I am analyzing half seasons for all those players. Way too much work.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 24, 2024 21:37:40 GMT -5
I'd like to see if it were possible to divide Ice's year in half and analyze the 2nd half. She had sat out for a year and it was obvious that at the beginning of this season she wasn't in basketball shape, either mentally or physically. By the end of the year, she made the all-tournament team in the Big East and was really productive against Iowa. It is possible to do that but I am not up for that much work. I can tell you that, yes, her second half was definitely better. How? Because I recall looking at her stats at some point during the season and her BPM was negative at that time. But, honestly, almost every freshman has a better second half and there is no way I am analyzing half seasons for all those players. Way too much work. Okay, so she climbed out from negative to positive. Sounds like her 2nd half was pretty productive. It's not clear to me where you're going with all this. You tried on the first page to argue that Ice had gained unproductive weight since high school which is clearly not the case: by the end of this year, she played herself into super basketball fitness, to the point of playing all 40 minutes in back-to-back games. Then you note her 1st year BPM was very low, but now admit that it went from negative to positive, meaning that the difference between these two numbers is in fact entirely positive and significantly higher than her overall annual BPM. So, your brief seems to be that Ice is a hope, not a plan. I disagree. Further, I see a huge amount of subtle movements, both on offense and defense that never get credited but which influence the outcome of plays. Look at Nika: on the numbers, with the exception of assists, not very impressive. But who doubts that her contributions to the team were remarkable?
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Post by jonathan on Apr 24, 2024 22:35:52 GMT -5
It is possible to do that but I am not up for that much work. I can tell you that, yes, her second half was definitely better. How? Because I recall looking at her stats at some point during the season and her BPM was negative at that time. But, honestly, almost every freshman has a better second half and there is no way I am analyzing half seasons for all those players. Way too much work. Okay, so she climbed out from negative to positive. Sounds like her 2nd half was pretty productive. It's not clear to me where you're going with all this. You tried on the first page to argue that Ice had gained unproductive weight since high school which is clearly not the case: by the end of this year, she played herself into super basketball fitness, to the point of playing all 40 minutes in back-to-back games. Then you note her 1st year BPM was very low, but now admit that it went from negative to positive, meaning that the difference between these two numbers is in fact entirely positive and significantly higher than her overall annual BPM. So, your brief seems to be that Ice is a hope, not a plan. I disagree. Further, I see a huge amount of subtle movements, both on offense and defense that never get credited but which influence the outcome of plays. Look at Nika: on the numbers, with the exception of assists, not very impressive. But who doubts that her contributions to the team were remarkable? Just about every freshman has a better second half. That, alone, proves nothing. I didn't argue anything regarding ICE's weight. I simply said it looked to me like she had gained a lot since that HS picture and that it could have affected her. I was clearly speculating. But you are actually claiming to know that she didn't gain weight which, by definition, couldn't have affected anything. Unless you are REALLY close to insiders, you have no way of knowing this for sure. We agree to disagree on whether Ice is a hope or a lock to be a major contributor next year. On Nika, how many championships did she win? Her subtle moves may have made her a very good player but was she ever a championship level player? Geno doesn't have a lot of years left. If he can get a championship level player in the portal, he should go for it, even if that means these first year players (and even the second year players) may need to defer to an upperclassmen transfer for a year or two. I guess, in summary, I view the situation as more urgent than you do.
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Post by swash on Apr 25, 2024 4:55:17 GMT -5
Yep. My point was that some outstanding players had rocky times as freshmen. Ice has room to do the same. Let's hope she amazes us. Both. Unfortunately, your point is not accurate. Most of the players you mentioned had really really good freshman seasons. All of them had a better season than Ice did. None of them struggled as much as she did. Beers is already playing at a championship level. You hope Ice will get there some day. Hope is not a plan. So you twist my statements about improvement into something like Ice is perfect? I'm just saying she showed more growth in season than most, and shows promise. I expect a nice advance over the summer, too. Ccomparing her to Amari is unfair
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Post by semper on Apr 25, 2024 5:08:34 GMT -5
Serenity....
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Post by doggydaddy on Apr 25, 2024 6:14:54 GMT -5
Okay, so she climbed out from negative to positive. Sounds like her 2nd half was pretty productive. It's not clear to me where you're going with all this. You tried on the first page to argue that Ice had gained unproductive weight since high school which is clearly not the case: by the end of this year, she played herself into super basketball fitness, to the point of playing all 40 minutes in back-to-back games. Then you note her 1st year BPM was very low, but now admit that it went from negative to positive, meaning that the difference between these two numbers is in fact entirely positive and significantly higher than her overall annual BPM. So, your brief seems to be that Ice is a hope, not a plan. I disagree. Further, I see a huge amount of subtle movements, both on offense and defense that never get credited but which influence the outcome of plays. Look at Nika: on the numbers, with the exception of assists, not very impressive. But who doubts that her contributions to the team were remarkable? Just about every freshman has a better second half. That, alone, proves nothing. I didn't argue anything regarding ICE's weight. I simply said it looked to me like she had gained a lot since that HS picture and that it could have affected her. I was clearly speculating. But you are actually claiming to know that she didn't gain weight which, by definition, couldn't have affected anything. Unless you are REALLY close to insiders, you have no way of knowing this for sure. We agree to disagree on whether Ice is a hope or a lock to be a major contributor next year. On Nika, how many championships did she win? Her subtle moves may have made her a very good player but was she ever a championship level player? Geno doesn't have a lot of years left. If he can get a championship level player in the portal, he should go for it, even if that means these first year players (and even the second year players) may need to defer to an upperclassmen transfer for a year or two. I guess, in summary, I view the situation as more urgent than you do. A good example of what I've been reading here about Ice in so many negative posts. It's pretty pathetic. I kinda get that fans were disappointed with her freshmen season. But those fans ignore the fact that she missed months and months of practice and was out an entire year after her surgery. Both the mental and physical aspect of her recovery certainly set her back with this past season started. She clearly improved later in the season. The two 40 minute games were a surprise to all of us. I mentioned the "Glimpses" of what she can bring to the table and I just don't get what some fans are missing about the impact of an off season of getting in better condition, working with her teammates in summer workouts and then finally fall practices. I won't predict numbers yet for her next season. The roster is not set. If Beers comes then it could impact Ice's minutes per game. But I'm pretty cofident she will be a bettter player. More aware of the system (as most bigs do their second season) and the big thing is more confident as long as the negative fans don't bring her down. Yes, I believe that fans can impact that. Your comments on Nika is just a crappy parting shot. She had (has) the heart of a champion. No she hasn't won one, but is every player not on South Carolina or LSU or Stanford not a championship level player? Is Buecker or Clark not championship level players. Basketball is a team name. It's not tennis or golf. You want a chapionship level player in the portal. Them them all.
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