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Post by phil on Apr 7, 2024 11:47:56 GMT -5
A lot of fan discussion about an "announcement" of a new head coach. I was skeptical, but I heard it confirmed by Coach Jumper, so now I know it's false (If you know, you know)
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Post by mdoggie on Apr 7, 2024 12:06:57 GMT -5
BREAKING: Tennessee has hired Marshall head coach Kim Caldwell as their next head womens basketball coach.
In her first year as a D1 head coach, she led Marshall to become both regular-season and conference tournament champions with a 26-7 record. Caldwell was recently named the D1 Rookie Coach of the Year.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 7, 2024 12:12:18 GMT -5
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Post by mdoggie on Apr 7, 2024 12:18:57 GMT -5
A new era begins. Moving out of the shadow of the legend of Pat Summit. Good move IMO.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 7, 2024 12:23:50 GMT -5
Can't resist one Tenn poster's judgment about the decision:
Don't be silly. You know damn well Uconn wouldn't go hire her if they were replacing Geno this year.
UConn: still the standard for excellence!
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Post by mdoggie on Apr 7, 2024 12:55:33 GMT -5
Can't resist one Tenn poster's judgment about the decision: Don't be silly. You know damn well Uconn wouldn't go hire her if they were replacing Geno this year.UConn: still the standard for excellence! Another Tennessee poster commented “She doesn’t even look good in Orange” |
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Post by ursusminor on Apr 7, 2024 13:52:55 GMT -5
Nobody looks good in that particular shade of orange.
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Post by UConnChapette on Apr 7, 2024 13:57:21 GMT -5
I think this is the move that HAD to be made. Tennessee tried to keep it in family, but that has not worked out for them. And all the TN branch coaches who tried to follow Pat Summitt were never going to measure up. No one ever will, honestly, but the pressure on the coaches was probably pretty significant. "I don't want to let my alma mater down".
This was also likely an affordable hire. The TN AD probably is spending less on salary than they would have if they had gone for a big name "established" coach.
And...maybe there were no established big name coaches interested in the job. Now that would be a slap in the face to TN and their fans.
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Post by semper on Apr 7, 2024 14:17:00 GMT -5
What big name would have gone there at this point? I think none. Jeff was the only one I could think of, and he would have cost a whole lot.
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Post by linkster on Apr 7, 2024 19:49:25 GMT -5
I think this is the move that HAD to be made. Tennessee tried to keep it in family, but that has not worked out for them. And all the TN branch coaches who tried to follow Pat Summitt were never going to measure up. No one ever will, honestly, but the pressure on the coaches was probably pretty significant. "I don't want to let my alma mater down". This was also likely an affordable hire. The TN AD probably is spending less on salary than they would have if they had gone for a big name "established" coach. And.. .maybe there were no established big name coaches interested in the job. Now that would be a slap in the face to TN and their fans. That's what I wondered. How many said no thanks before someone said yes. Caldwell has a great opportunity. No expectations. Tenn is a shadow of 15 years ago but still has a little cache. The greatness of the Summitt era was more about instilling her will than installing her system. Two coaches have tried to win with the system and failed. Defense and rebounding aren't enough even with top recruits and Tenn hasn't been getting top recruits. If the facilities are top notch and she has a recruiting network and a recruiting budget it's a good time to be starting out because the talent pool is growing. |
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Post by rvwsleep on Apr 8, 2024 16:55:37 GMT -5
Evidently, the Indiana coach was their first choice, but she passed. Volnation is in turmoil. Before the announcement, most there were convinced that they would get a top, established coach who could also bring some players along with them.
Instead they get a coach with 1 year of division I experience. And who admits that recruiting is not her strong suit !!
Her Marshall team full court pressed and threw up 3's whenever possible. She would sub 5 in at a time every 5 minutes or so.
Tennessee would need 10 new, good players
out of the portal to even think about playing that style.
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Post by linkster on Apr 8, 2024 19:12:00 GMT -5
Evidently, the Indiana coach was their first choice, but she passed. Volnation is in turmoil. Before the announcement, most there were convinced that they would get a top, established coach who could also bring some players along with them. Instead they get a coach with 1 year of division I experience. And who admits that recruiting is not her strong suit !! Her Marshall team full court pressed and threw up 3's whenever possible. She would sub 5 in at a time every 5 minutes or so. Tennessee would need 10 new, good players out of the portal to even think about playing that style. She may have done what she could with the available talent. Not many coaches from her level get a shot at a P-5 progam. I hope she does so well at Tenn that she gets hired by a better program. |
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Post by radylady on Apr 8, 2024 20:13:06 GMT -5
I think this is the move that HAD to be made. Tennessee tried to keep it in family, but that has not worked out for them. And all the TN branch coaches who tried to follow Pat Summitt were never going to measure up. No one ever will, honestly, but the pressure on the coaches was probably pretty significant. "I don't want to let my alma mater down". This was also likely an affordable hire. The TN AD probably is spending less on salary than they would have if they had gone for a big name "established" coach. And.. .maybe there were no established big name coaches interested in the job. Now that would be a slap in the face to TN and their fans. That's what I wondered. How many said no thanks before someone said yes. Caldwell has a great opportunity. No expectations. Tenn is a shadow of 15 years ago but still has a little cache. The greatness of the Summitt era was more about instilling her will than installing her system. Two coaches have tried to win with the system and failed. Defense and rebounding aren't enough even with top recruits and Tenn hasn't been getting top recruits. If the facilities are top notch and she has a recruiting network and ed program went with her, and I think many realized that. Still a big name in the college basketball world, but definitely and internally changes were afoot. IMO what they need is a smart ambitious coach with maybe a few years under his/her belt to rebuild the program in their own style, (not try to be Pat, may she rest in peace), and reclaim the respect that Pat and TN once had. And, hopefully, an ersatz composer of college fight songs with a rifle that can compose decent replacement for Rocky Top and then blow the forementioned all to hell once and for all |
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Post by phil on Apr 9, 2024 7:38:20 GMT -5
A lot of fan discussion about an "announcement" of a new head coach. I was skeptical, but I heard it confirmed by Coach Jumper, so now I know it's false (If you know, you know) So, not always easy, but I have to admit my mistakes. I went for the funny, and got burnt because he was right. Oh well. Stopped clocks and all that. (As an aside, do young people even understand the stopped clock metaphor?) |
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Post by doggydaddy on Apr 9, 2024 9:56:02 GMT -5
So, Coach Jumper thought it was ok to call Coach Kellie Harper "Coach K". We all know that is the retired Duke men's coach. Yet he continued to do it when called out for that.
Now they hired Kim Caldwell. Will he call her Coach K too?
What a jerk he is.
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Post by phil on Apr 9, 2024 14:24:08 GMT -5
Many lady vol fans seem to live in a small universe and the don't seem aware of anything outside that universe. Inside the universe, coach K may be Kellie because Duke is outside their universe.
They actually think UT stands for University of Tennessee, which is a fine shorthand if live in their tiny universe.
I predict heads will explode next year when people start referring to UT and they learn that, outside their tiny universe, most people associate UT with University of Texas. They got all kinds of arguments why Tennessee is the rightful owner of that shorthand, but they seem unaware of how such shorthand gets developed. It isn't based upon historical claims, it's based upon what the majority of people use. There's a section of Spain where UT means University of Toledo, and is a small section of the US where UT means Tennessee, but in most of the world, UT means Texas. I don't expect this to go well.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 9, 2024 15:36:11 GMT -5
selling season tickets...
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Post by bulkey on Apr 9, 2024 16:14:23 GMT -5
Funny...and largely why Kellie is kaput
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Post by phil on Apr 9, 2024 20:07:40 GMT -5
One challenge is that the new coach is committed to a style of play that doesn't sound consistent with Tamari Key or Tess Darby. I guess we'll have to wait and see, including the possibility that the coach comes up with a way to use their talents and not simply stick to her stated plan. (I didnt mention Edie Darby, but I think the issue also applies to her, although I didn't see her play much so I don't know for sure.)
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Post by doggydaddy on Apr 9, 2024 20:15:19 GMT -5
One challenge is that the new coach is committed to a style of play that doesn't sound consistent with Tamari Key or Tess Darby. I guess we'll have to wait and see, including the possibility that the coach comes up with a way to use their talents and not simply stick to her stated plan. (I didnt mention Edie Darby, but I think the issue also applies to her, although I didn't see her play much so I don't know for sure.) Also Sara Puckett and Karoline Stricklen as well. If this is how they are going to play, look for a few players to transfer among the few we've mentioned. |
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Apr 9, 2024 21:50:49 GMT -5
I thought it would be very hard fo them to get "a name", but when the hire was announced I nearly fell over in surprise. I think the AD just announced the Lady Vols are a minor sport at Tenn.
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Post by mdoggie on Apr 9, 2024 22:08:46 GMT -5
Evidently, the Indiana coach was their first choice, but she passed. Volnation is in turmoil. Before the announcement, most there were convinced that they would get a top, established coach who could also bring some players along with them. Instead they get a coach with 1 year of division I experience. And who admits that recruiting is not her strong suit !! Her Marshall team full court pressed and threw up 3's whenever possible. She would sub 5 in at a time every 5 minutes or so. Tennessee would need 10 new, good players out of the portal to even think about playing that style. Can you explain “Evidently” |
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Post by rvwsleep on Apr 10, 2024 12:30:16 GMT -5
Evidently, the Indiana coach was their first choice, but she passed. Volnation is in turmoil. Before the announcement, most there were convinced that they would get a top, established coach who could also bring some players along with them. Instead they get a coach with 1 year of division I experience. And who admits that recruiting is not her strong suit !! Her Marshall team full court pressed and threw up 3's whenever possible. She would sub 5 in at a time every 5 minutes or so. Tennessee would need 10 new, good players out of the portal to even think about playing that style. Can you explain “Evidently” From the Cambridge dictionary: Evidently = used to say what people believe is true: He had an accident, evidently because he was driving at excessive speed. |
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Post by mdoggie on Apr 10, 2024 13:43:05 GMT -5
Can you explain “Evidently” From the Cambridge dictionary: Evidently = used to say what people believe is true: He had an accident, evidently because he was driving at excessive speed. Oh I see. So people believed the Indiana coach was asked to take the job or offered the job but turned it down? How did I miss that? I mean it should be evident to everyone on this forum. I was kinda hoping for a quote, an article or a video that said or shows what is evident. Evidently you miss understood what I was looking for. |
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Post by phil on Apr 10, 2024 14:46:33 GMT -5
I've seen a fair bit of scuttlebutt involving Teri Moren, but most of it sounded third hand. I don't recall seeing anything that resembled a quote or a report by someone I trust. That largely also applies to the story that Lindsay Gottlieb was part of a discussion, but USC indicated they match whatever Tennessee offered so it didn't go far.
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