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Post by UConnChapette on Mar 31, 2024 15:33:23 GMT -5
One side several inches longer?
Doesn't anyone check these details BEFORE the games are played? Come on, NCAA. You can do better. The linked article indicates in the end it doesn't matter since both teams play the same amount of time on each side, but if the team that is playing on the side that is shorter in the first half and builds up a big lead, the other team will be more tired and potentially a bit demoralized by having a big deficit to overcome. The shorter three-point line may not be enough.
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Post by pinotbear on Mar 31, 2024 16:18:48 GMT -5
One side several inches longer?
Doesn't anyone check these details BEFORE the games are played? Come on, NCAA. You can do better. The linked article indicates in the end it doesn't matter since both teams play the same amount of time on each side, but if the team that is playing on the side that is shorter in the first half and builds up a big lead, the other team will be more tired and potentially a bit demoralized by having a big deficit to overcome. The shorter three-point line may not be enough. It was just a couple of years back, when the discrepancy between the Men's tournament facilities, and the Women's facilities was a national embarrassment for the NCAA - it appears, they've learned little from that experience. You can't treat the women's programs like they're second-class anymore, you just can't. |
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Post by semper on Mar 31, 2024 16:34:04 GMT -5
So awful. Right up there with the quality of the refs.
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Post by RoyDodger on Mar 31, 2024 16:51:40 GMT -5
One side several inches longer?
Doesn't anyone check these details BEFORE the games are played? Come on, NCAA. You can do better. The linked article indicates in the end it doesn't matter since both teams play the same amount of time on each side, but if the team that is playing on the side that is shorter in the first half and builds up a big lead, the other team will be more tired and potentially a bit demoralized by having a big deficit to overcome. The shorter three-point line may not be enough. Brings to mind a scene in “Game of Thrones” in which the Queen walks naked through the streets followed by a nun yelling “Shame, shame, shame..”. Maybe this should be the punishment for those who set up the Portland three-point lines. Well, maybe without the nakedness. |
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Post by bulkey on Mar 31, 2024 16:55:58 GMT -5
Of course this means nothing when N = so small a sample and the play situation changes in the 2nd half....
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Post by magic on Mar 31, 2024 17:06:19 GMT -5
Just ....... ridiculous !
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Post by UConnChapette on Mar 31, 2024 17:34:59 GMT -5
I just read it will be corrected before tomorrow night’s game.
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Post by semper on Mar 31, 2024 19:09:02 GMT -5
Yes, there is an article about it. Apparently TxNCS were given the chance to redo the lines and didn't take it. It would have held up the game.
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Post by yetanotherwilliams on Mar 31, 2024 20:23:07 GMT -5
Was the 'long' side correct or was the 'short' side correct? Or were both sides the wrong length? If it was the long side that was correct, one wouldn't think that it would make all that much difference, i.e, that shots from the short side might tend to be a little long (which, of course, is better than being a little short).
Also, did the coaches inform the players of the screw-up? I'm not sure that telling the players that the court was non-standard would be helpful.
Regardless, if the game had gone into overtime, I'll bet that the coach drawing the unlucky straw would have had a fit, and justifiably so.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 31, 2024 20:38:07 GMT -5
Was the 'long' side correct or was the 'short' side correct? Or were both sides the wrong length? If it was the long side that was correct, one wouldn't think that it would make all that much difference, i.e, that shots from the short side might tend to be a little long (which, of course, is better than being a little short). Also, did the coaches inform the players of the screw-up? I'm not sure that telling the players that the court was non-standard would be helpful. Regardless, if the game had gone into overtime, I'll bet that the coach drawing the unlucky straw would have had a fit, and justifiably so. Everyone knew about it during warm-ups before the NCS-TX game. They measured (I had the sound off so don't know what precipitated the measurement), consulted both coaches extensively, and everyone agreed to play the game. So, because of the agreement, no one could have subsequently complained. |
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Post by mulliganspa on Mar 31, 2024 21:22:24 GMT -5
I’m thinkin don’t correct it….4 points from the long side.
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Post by linkster on Mar 31, 2024 23:09:00 GMT -5
That has to be the biggest F'up to this point. The NCAA is run by incompetent amateurs. So far this year it screwed up the hotels in Portland, they used an openly racist community and now they can't even measure a basketball court correctly. If I were Geno I'd demand that the baskets be measured before the game. The NCAA changes the markings on the floor so who did they hire? The 3 stooges? Or some friend. Probably a company that paints signs. Why shouldn't the game officials be responsible for measuring the court?
This is a huge deal. If one team relies on their 3pt shots more than the other team they are at a huge disadvantage. The brain learns to use the line it sees as a benchmark to judge the strength of the shot and the team that plays on a bad line will be long or short in the 1st half and even if the line is right on the other end of the court it's different from the 1st half and they don't know it's wrong.
The last time I was aware of a situation like this was when I was 12 and one of the hoops in my school's playground got bent down a little but we all knew it.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 31, 2024 23:11:43 GMT -5
That has to be the biggest F'up to this point. The NCAA is run by incompetent amateurs. So far this year it screwed up the hotels in Portland, they used an openly racist community and now they can't even measure a basketball court correctly. If I were Geno I'd demand that the baskets be measured before the game. The NCAA changes the markings on the floor so who did they hire? The 3 stooges? Or some friend. Probably a company that paints signs. Why shouldn't the game officials be responsible for measuring the court? This is a huge deal. If one team relies on their 3pt shots more than the other team they are at a huge disadvantage. The brain learns to use the line it sees as a benchmark to judge the strength of the shot and the team that plays on a bad line will be long or short in the 1st half and even if the line is right on the other end of the court it's different from the 1st half and they don't know it's wrong. The last time I was aware of a situation like this was when I was 12 and one of the hoops in my school's playground got bent down a little but we all knew it. C'mon, it's Portland. rules, schmules. be mellow.  |
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Post by bulkey on Mar 31, 2024 23:41:28 GMT -5
It's so obvious once you look....
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Post by semper on Apr 1, 2024 7:01:53 GMT -5
I wonder how many missed threes were taken from the miss-measured side of the court? Was wondering about Ash for example.
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Post by phil on Apr 1, 2024 7:10:29 GMT -5
I was initially surprised, then annoyed, but I've transitioned to amused that I haven't yet read a single report that quantifying the difference.
The one on the right as you look at it on the TV is the correct one, but I've read close to 20 reports on this incident and not a single one has identified the length of the shortage on the left side.
It's not like they don't know — we all saw them out there with a tape measure. Did someone decide this is a state secret like who killed Kennedy or where is Jimmy Hoffa? Or perhaps the NCAA knows but no reporter has thought to ask?
They did keep track of the number of threes taken and made at each end which was reported on screen but I didn't write the numbers down. The commentator described the difference is significant but it didn't strike me that it was that meaningful a difference.
Other than the emphasis on the incompetence, this is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Post by bulkey on Apr 1, 2024 8:01:31 GMT -5
One shot may have been influenced. I think it was in the highly contested part of the last quarter, and the ball swung around to a wide open Nika on the left baseline of the right hand court. Before she shot, she looked down at her feet to make sure she was beyond 3. I yelled at the TV: don't check, just shoot! She missed, hitting the front rim, IIRC.
It drove me nuts (as Nika is wont to do when she's not doing brilliant things) that in a game that close she would interrupt her natural rhythm to try to get the extra point.
I've never seen Nika do that before (could well be wrong here), and just wonder if subconsciously she was responding to a different relationship between line and rim.
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Post by yetanotherwilliams on Apr 1, 2024 8:20:43 GMT -5
Everyone knew about it during warm-ups before the NCS-TX game. They measured (I had the sound off so don't know what precipitated the measurement), consulted both coaches extensively, and everyone agreed to play the game. So, because of the agreement, no one could have subsequently complained. I don't know. If the progress of the two halves of the game had shown that one end of the court had been much more difficult to make threes from, and then the game had gone into overtime, and a team that had struggled mightily with their threes at the wrong end during the game had been assigned the 'wrong end' in a basketball life or death overtime, I think certain coaches would have lost their mind. Unless, of course, the officials had pointed out the potential overtime issue before the game and both coaches had signed off on it in advance. Obviously the coaches should have anticipated the overtime issue even if it weren't specifically broached ... |
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Post by UConnChapette on Apr 1, 2024 10:03:08 GMT -5
I was initially surprised, then annoyed, but I've transitioned to amused that I haven't yet read a single report that quantifying the difference. The one on the right as you look at it on the TV is the correct one, but I've read close to 20 reports on this incident and not a single one has identified the length of the shortage on the left side. It's not like they don't know — we all saw them out there with a tape measure. Did someone decide this is a state secret like who killed Kennedy or where is Jimmy Hoffa? Or perhaps the NCAA knows but no reporter has thought to ask? They did keep track of the number of threes taken and made at each end which was reported on screen but I didn't write the numbers down. The commentator described the difference is significant but it didn't strike me that it was that meaningful a difference. Other than the emphasis on the incompetence, this is making a mountain out of a mole hill. No secret. Kennedy was killed by Marilyn Monroe. And Jimmy Hoffa is either buried under Giants stadium or was cut into pieces and sent to a New Jersey landfill. My bet is the landfill. Okay, the first is a joke. The second? Two very real possibilities. Regardless, I think he is somewhere in Jersey. |
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Post by swash on Apr 1, 2024 12:37:27 GMT -5
That has to be the biggest F'up to this point. The NCAA is run by incompetent amateurs. So far this year it screwed up the hotels in Portland, they used an openly racist community and now they can't even measure a basketball court correctly. If I were Geno I'd demand that the baskets be measured before the game. The NCAA changes the markings on the floor so who did they hire? The 3 stooges? Or some friend. Probably a company that paints signs. Why shouldn't the game officials be responsible for measuring the court? This is a huge deal. If one team relies on their 3pt shots more than the other team they are at a huge disadvantage. The brain learns to use the line it sees as a benchmark to judge the strength of the shot and the team that plays on a bad line will be long or short in the 1st half and even if the line is right on the other end of the court it's different from the 1st half and they don't know it's wrong. The last time I was aware of a situation like this was when I was 12 and one of the hoops in my school's playground got bent down a little but we all knew it. The Hoosiers storyline would have changed significantly if that basket they measured was 10'1.25", now wouldn't it? |
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Post by swash on Apr 1, 2024 12:43:37 GMT -5
One shot may have been influenced. I think it was in the highly contested part of the last quarter, and the ball swung around to a wide open Nika on the left baseline of the right hand court. Before she shot, she looked down at her feet to make sure she was beyond 3. I yelled at the TV: don't check, just shoot! She missed, hitting the front rim, IIRC. It drove me nuts (as Nika is wont to do when she's not doing brilliant things) that in a game that close she would interrupt her natural rhythm to try to get the extra point. I've never seen Nika do that before (could well be wrong here), and just wonder if subconsciously she was responding to a different relationship between line and rim. Shots from the corners were ... supposedly ... not affected. But think how many more parts of the game rely on that demarcation... Most teams measure the top of their defense and their set offense from that point. Duke was definitely extending the point of their D a few feet deeper than the arc. But even a shooter's eye ... the two arcs were a different SHAPE. The subconscious knows things like this. Ever find yourself tripping up the stairs (no political humor, please) inexplicably? Famously noted in the Big Bang Theory is a true statement that a millimeter or two off on one step will throw off lots of people.... But I read that the actual data suggested that the stumble didn't always occur on that step, with a distribution curve between zero (at the "off" step) and four steps later. Up had more variability than down. |
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Post by semper on Apr 1, 2024 13:24:06 GMT -5
According to ESPN Stats & Information tracking, teams during the five games so far in the Portland regionals shot 29% (23-of-79) from the 3-point line that was too short, as compared to 33% (29-of-87) from the standard 3-point line. Additionally, teams averaged 66.8 points per game from the standard line and just 62.0 PPG from the shorter one.
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Post by phil on Apr 1, 2024 16:00:09 GMT -5
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Post by UConnChapette on Apr 1, 2024 19:14:53 GMT -5
9 inches too short? Wow. How does this happen?
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Post by bulkey on Apr 1, 2024 20:56:34 GMT -5
9 inches too short? Wow. How does this happen? You are evil! |
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