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Post by doggydaddy on Jan 12, 2015 8:43:26 GMT -5
Doomed in the AAC?
The folks on the other boards would have you think that. They couldn't complain about the UConn play in that game, so the focus was how bad SMU was and how that is why the entire conference is terrible. I'd just like to remind everyone that there were some TERRIBLE teams in the old big east that UConn DOMINATED for many many years.
Here are just a few of those teams and the scores when UConn beat them by over 40 over the last 12 years.
2001-2 Providence 106-41, Seton Hall 92-40 (2) 2002-3 Seton Hall 84-44, Gtwn 97-57 (2) 2003-4 Pitt 97-42 (1) 2004-5 Prov 83-33, Pitt 89-53, Pitt 97-49 (3) 2005-6 GTwn 80-38 (1) 2006-7 Prov 96-53, Vill 92-49 (2) 2007-8 Vill 88-38, Seton Hall 82-36, St. Johns 98-41 (3) 2008-9 USF 83-37, Pitt 95-42 (2) 2009-10 Seton Hall 91-24, USF 84-42, Pitt 98-56, Louisville 84-38 (4) 2010-11 Vill 81-35 (1) 2011-12 Cinn 80-37, DePaul 88-44, Syracuse 95-54, Gtwn 80-38, Marq 85-45 (5) 2012-13 Marq 94-37, DePaul 91-44, Prov 105-49, Seton Hall 90-30, Pitt 76-36 (5)
Now, certainly the old BE was better than the current AAC. But to use the SMU game as a reason the AAC will kill UConn is just dumb. Really dumb. |
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Post by msf22b on Jan 12, 2015 8:56:12 GMT -5
Really dumb is too strong.
Lots of games against zero competition (if that's the way it turns out)
will eventually be harmful to the team in two ways.
1. Despite the staff's prodding, standards will become increasingly difficult to keep up (see Stewie)
2. The fan base will gradually revolt…It wasn't only me that found aspects of the last two games painful.
I just expressed it…others are emerging.
You're entitled to your opinion, but mine is:
a slew of games like this is abhorrent.
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Post by msf22b on Jan 12, 2015 9:00:12 GMT -5
Notice: I didn't say that it will effect us in the South Carolina game or the Tourny:
I don't really believe that.
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Post by doggydaddy on Jan 12, 2015 9:03:13 GMT -5
Really dumb is too strong. Lots of games against zero competition (if that's the way it turns out) will eventually be harmful to the team in two ways. 1. Despite the staff's prodding, standards will become increasingly difficult to keep up (see Stewie) 2. The fan base will gradually revolt…It wasn't only me that found aspects of the last two games painful. I just expressed it…others are emerging. You're entitled to your opinion, but mine is: a slew of games like this is abhorrent. Did you NOT get my point? They HAD games like this in the past. I left off the many 30-40 points losses as well. How did those hurt UConn?
Yes, it was dumb to use the ONE game against SMU as the jumping off point to say the AAC will kill UConn.
I didn't even mention the great recruits that are very aware of the weak conference that keep on committing to UConn.
"The fan base will gradually revolt".....what does this mean? You personally will stop watching the games? Will become a fan of another team? Please explain.
And explain how the last two games are different than the many games I listed from the old BE.
You are defending this? I take it you agree? Sorry, but it's DUMB.
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Post by Icebear on Jan 12, 2015 14:00:34 GMT -5
Really dumb is too strong. Lots of games against zero competition (if that's the way it turns out) will eventually be harmful to the team in two ways. 1. Despite the staff's prodding, standards will become increasingly difficult to keep up (see Stewie) 2. The fan base will gradually revolt…It wasn't only me that found aspects of the last two games painful. I just expressed it…others are emerging. You're entitled to your opinion, but mine is: a slew of games like this is abhorrent. They are far, far from a new situation against UCONN. |
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Post by msf22b on Jan 12, 2015 15:50:15 GMT -5
I wrote an extended reply (as requested) and it disappeared into the ethernet or what ever you call it.
Yikes.
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Post by radylady on Jan 12, 2015 16:19:10 GMT -5
hmmmm....to my knowledge, nothing was deleted Michael.
Did you post it? Sometimes I rite my post, and then hit the reply button and thinking that I posted my reply, navigate away from the page....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 18:40:51 GMT -5
I enjoy lopsided wins! Okay, the SMU was a little too much, but I still enjoyed the game. While I like a tense, competitive game, it is not necessary for it to be close for me to think it was a "good game". I have found that I can enjoy UConn's superior play, crisp passes and great defense regardless of the score. And with this team in particular, I can enjoy seeing the new kids and trying to evaluate how they are doing.
I agree that if the whole conference were like SMU in this game, it would get old. But with a variety of levels or ability, I think the games can be useful and entertaining. And, really, the other conferences generally offer only one or two teams with a hope of staying within double digits of UConn unless there is a Stanford aberration. |
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Post by doggydaddy on Jan 12, 2015 19:54:30 GMT -5
I wrote an extended reply (as requested) and it disappeared into the ethernet or what ever you call it. Yikes. wish I had seen it!!!
No one is deleting posts here. Hopefully you can rewrite it.
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Post by msf22b on Jan 12, 2015 20:29:33 GMT -5
I don't remember exactly what I said.
The other day there was a ESPN program about the Knicks of the 70's,
the building of the team, the unselfish play, two extra passes to find the open man; you know the drill.
Sometimes, occasionally, they made the other teams look like flatfooted dumbos.
But the opposition wasn't, they were seasoned pros, just overwhelmed by the intelligence and grace of Holtzman's squad.
So it is with UConn, increasingly this season; a wonderful team, Gabby coming alone beautifully, Morgan becoming recognized for the
force she once was and will be again. Moriah the best point in the land; etc, etc, etc.
But against a sweet bunch of doofuses like SMU yesterday, it just doesn't satisfy and sometimes disgusts.
I just watched much of the game and it wasn't quite as bad as I had imagined listening to the Bob Joyce broadcast on WTIC as I drove through
the Nutmeg State up to our ski pad in St J.
The other guys had some looks and worked hard, they just couldn't hit, a combination of UConn pressure and their own limitations
Against a South Carolina, some of those shots will fall and the outcome will be more respectable.
I know that South Florida will gives us (perhaps) 3 decent games.
I know we've had blowouts in the past and I've attended more than a few.
But this feels different…the inequality of talent is so pronounced.
And the UConn discipline is so superior.
It concerns me that it will turn off even ardent fans (some at least).
At times, in the game before this, I just couldn't watch, almost too painful.
And I was a tad surprised that others were willing to articulate that they felt the same way.
And the crux of the problem is the unbelievably weak conference; at least this year.
It just feels different from blowouts in the past, when Stewie can take a day off from shooting
And not have a care in the world.
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Post by semper on Jan 12, 2015 21:07:36 GMT -5
For me the salvation is that it gives our bench lots of playing time, and I think this has not happened for years. We have been so so short. I remember one of Maya's years we basically had 6 players in the rotation. So this is a new world and I like seeing people get in lots of minutes who might not otherwise. It's interest to have two teams, and of course all kinds of mixing and matching too. In really close games this dynamic will disappear. So I'm taking it for what it is and trying to enjoy it.
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Post by doggydaddy on Jan 12, 2015 21:16:09 GMT -5
I don't remember exactly what I said. The other day there was a ESPN program about the Knicks of the 70's, the building of the team, the unselfish play, two extra passes to find the open man; you know the drill. Sometimes, occasionally, they made the other teams look like flatfooted dumbos. But the opposition wasn't, they were seasoned pros, just overwhelmed by the intelligence and grace of Holtzman's squad. So it is with UConn, increasingly this season; a wonderful team, Gabby coming alone beautifully, Morgan becoming recognized for the force she once was and will be again. Moriah the best point in the land; etc, etc, etc. But against a sweet bunch of doofuses like SMU yesterday, it just doesn't satisfy and sometimes disgusts. I just watched much of the game and it wasn't quite as bad as I had imagined listening to the Bob Joyce broadcast on WTIC as I drove through the Nutmeg State up to our ski pad in St J. The other guys had some looks and worked hard, they just couldn't hit, a combination of UConn pressure and their own limitations Against a South Carolina, some of those shots will fall and the outcome will be more respectable. I know that South Florida will gives us (perhaps) 3 decent games. I know we've had blowouts in the past and I've attended more than a few. But this feels different…the inequality of talent is so pronounced. And the UConn discipline is so superior. It concerns me that it will turn off even ardent fans (some at least). At times, in the game before this, I just couldn't watch, almost too painful. And I was a tad surprised that others were willing to articulate that they felt the same way. And the crux of the problem is the unbelievably weak conference; at least this year. It just feels different from blowouts in the past, when Stewie can take a day off from shooting And not have a care in the world. Again, I'll ask you, what kind of ardent fans would stop watching or rooting for their team for winning TOO big?
And how would a few of these fans doing that impact the program?
I'll just have to disagree with you on the difference between the SMU game and the many games I listed above. I just don't think watching Seton Hall lose by 60 points in the past would have felt any different than any of the AAC teams losing by the same amount.
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Post by msf22b on Jan 12, 2015 23:56:09 GMT -5
It's not only the fans.
I'm concerned about the Media
Let's make some assumptions.
The team continues to improve and Mo's leadership ripens.
They destroy SC and waltz through the NCAA's
Then the reinforcements arrive next season…tough to replace K and Kiah
but more shooting, more front court excellence, more athleticism.
Hard to believe anyone in Woman's BB would have a chance.
I am concerned (if this plays out as above)
That there is the possibility of a media backlash…"too many good players,"
"No one has a fair chance;" ruining the game, something has to be done.
I know, far-fetched and history is against it.
But I don't exclude the possibility.
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Post by Icebear on Jan 13, 2015 6:58:33 GMT -5
msf, It has been that way for years and people still watch and motivated teams like ND and Stanford still pursue and new teams like SoCar continue to rise. Today there is more WCBB available on TV than ever before.
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