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Post by bulkey on Sept 23, 2023 13:52:00 GMT -5
Silly season, 'cause it's no season...yet. Inevitably holding out hope that Paige will be greatest again. So hang on until 9:45, especially semper!
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Post by rukia on Sept 23, 2023 14:06:52 GMT -5
1. Clark 7. Johnson
That’s what I am confident about.
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Post by bulkey on Sept 23, 2023 14:10:54 GMT -5
1. Clark 7. Johnson That’s what I am confident about. Agreed. but as the guy says, if Paige plays back to her freshman year form and finishes healthy, she's my #1 (even without a title, though I think that's there also). Because when Paige is healthy, she's the best player I've ever seen PERIOD
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Post by rukia on Sept 23, 2023 14:23:44 GMT -5
That’s your right Bulkey. And I respect it.
I want to share my thinking though. Paige with 2 and a half years isn’t better than Clark with 4 years. Not for me.
Points aren’t everything. But let’s look at them. Paige has scored 829 points. Clark has scored 2717 points. Assists. Clark has 795. Paige has 233 assists. So, I don’t believe Paige can catapult up to #1 just by having a great season. I think Clark would have to be injured or slump mightily for it to even be in the mix. I do think a return to form from Paige can get her to #2 though. And I think that is pretty impressive considering the time she missed and considered a couple of players on this list are champions.
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Post by bulkey on Sept 23, 2023 14:40:31 GMT -5
That’s your right Bulkey. And I respect it. I want to share my thinking though. Paige with 2 and a half years isn’t better than Clark with 4 years. Not for me. Points aren’t everything. But let’s look at them. Paige has scored 829 points. Clark has scored 2717 points. Assists. Clark has 795. Paige has 233 assists. So, I don’t believe Paige can catapult up to #1 just by having a great season. I think Clark would have to be injured or slump mightily for it to even be in the mix. I do think a return to form from Paige can get her to #2 though. And I think that is pretty impressive considering the time she missed and considered a couple of players on this list are champions. Maybe we're measuring different things. Sounds like you're measuring contributions to her team for her time there. That's certainly a good way to measure it. I'm measuring whether the player started as ranked in her high school class and how she ended up ranked in college. As great as Clark is--and she is surely great--to my mind, a healthy Paige is the best WCBB player...I've ever seen. With all due respect to Maya, Stewie, and D, Paige just takes my breath away.
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Post by linkster on Sept 23, 2023 18:02:28 GMT -5
In a freeze right now frame Clark is a legit No 1 but if we had a freeze frame after their freshmen seasons Bueckers would have been No 1 so which is right?
In any case Clark and Bueckers were at the top of the 2020 rankings and they are on the top of the rankings now. Adding either to an existing team makes that team a lot better. The difference is that Bueckers does a better job making her teammates better. Clark has excellent team skills but Bueckers is the best I've ever seen.
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Post by semper on Sept 23, 2023 19:09:19 GMT -5
So KM is the best coach in women's basketball. Wow...that is ridiculous.
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Post by semper on Sept 23, 2023 19:16:18 GMT -5
Yes, Paige for two more years. Gotta happen! What in the world would she gain from leaving?
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Post by rukia on Sept 23, 2023 19:34:55 GMT -5
Kim might be the best coach in the year 2023. I always used to think of Kim as being stronger at recruiting than at coaching. But maybe I have been unfair.
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Post by rukia on Sept 23, 2023 19:36:00 GMT -5
Yes, Paige for two more years. Gotta happen! What in the world would she gain from leaving? doesn’t have to take classes anymore. Independence. Gets to take on the next challenge in life.
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Post by doggydaddy on Sept 23, 2023 19:45:36 GMT -5
Yes, Paige for two more years. Gotta happen! What in the world would she gain from leaving? doesn’t have to take classes anymore. Independence. Gets to take on the next challenge in life. She carries an incredibly weak class workload. Independence from what? I’m thinking she loves school life. The next challenge is winning consecutive NCs.
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Post by semper on Sept 23, 2023 20:12:37 GMT -5
Fudd is her best friend and they have dreamed of playing together since they were very young. And she has gotta want to play with Jana, which won't happen this year. Really, I think she might very well stay.
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Post by magic on Sept 24, 2023 7:39:07 GMT -5
That’s your right Bulkey. And I respect it. I want to share my thinking though. Paige with 2 and a half years isn’t better than Clark with 4 years. Not for me. Points aren’t everything. But let’s look at them. Paige has scored 829 points. Clark has scored 2717 points. Assists. Clark has 795. Paige has 233 assists. So, I don’t believe Paige can catapult up to #1 just by having a great season. I think Clark would have to be injured or slump mightily for it to even be in the mix. I do think a return to form from Paige can get her to #2 though. And I think that is pretty impressive considering the time she missed and considered a couple of players on this list are champions. Maybe we're measuring different things. Sounds like you're measuring contributions to her team for her time there. That's certainly a good way to measure it. I'm measuring whether the player started as ranked in her high school class and how she ended up ranked in college. As great as Clark is--and she is surely great--to my mind, a healthy Paige is the best WCBB player...I've ever seen. With all due respect to Maya, Stewie, and D, Paige just takes my breath away. I'm with you Bulkey !
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Post by grrrrr on Sept 24, 2023 8:39:28 GMT -5
That’s your right Bulkey. And I respect it. I want to share my thinking though. Paige with 2 and a half years isn’t better than Clark with 4 years. Not for me. Points aren’t everything. But let’s look at them. Paige has scored 829 points. Clark has scored 2717 points. Assists. Clark has 795. Paige has 233 assists. So, I don’t believe Paige can catapult up to #1 just by having a great season. I think Clark would have to be injured or slump mightily for it to even be in the mix. I do think a return to form from Paige can get her to #2 though. And I think that is pretty impressive considering the time she missed and considered a couple of players on this list are champions. Maybe we're measuring different things. Sounds like you're measuring contributions to her team for her time there. That's certainly a good way to measure it. I'm measuring whether the player started as ranked in her high school class and how she ended up ranked in college. As great as Clark is--and she is surely great--to my mind, a healthy Paige is the best WCBB player...I've ever seen. With all due respect to Maya, Stewie, and D, Paige just takes my breath away. It's been so long since we've seen Supergirl at her best sometimes it seems like we dreamed it. Then go on YouTube and watch her Freshman year games. We weren't dreaming, she IS Supergirl.
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Post by swash on Sept 24, 2023 8:53:30 GMT -5
Fudd is her best friend and they have dreamed of playing together since they were very young. And she has gotta want to play with Jana, which won't happen this year. Really, I think she might very well stay. they met playing with USA u16 or u18. So, "very young" would be in high school.
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Post by doggydaddy on Sept 24, 2023 10:20:08 GMT -5
See this great player.
Imagine her bigger, stronger and smarter.
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Post by bulkey on Sept 24, 2023 10:28:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 11:41:17 GMT -5
Kim might be the best coach in the year 2023. I always used to think of Kim as being stronger at recruiting than at coaching. But maybe I have been unfair. Kim was the most fortunate or lucky coach for 2022-2023. There's no way her team would have defeated SC during the NCAA Tournament; nor would her bunch have beaten UConn, but both were knocked out by Iowa and Ohio State.
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Post by bulkey on Sept 24, 2023 11:43:46 GMT -5
Kim might be the best coach in the year 2023. I always used to think of Kim as being stronger at recruiting than at coaching. But maybe I have been unfair. Kim was the most fortunate or lucky coach for 2022-2023. There's no way her team would have defeated SC during the NCAA Tournament; nor would her bunch have beaten UConn, but both were knocked out by Iowa and Ohio State. And they should have lost to Utah, which missed foul shots at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 12:06:43 GMT -5
So KM is the best coach in women's basketball. Wow...that is ridiculous. Kim had a serendipitous season thanks to Clark / Iowa defeating SC during the tourney. No way LSU defeats SC in the tourney or at any other time last season. Mulkey was, by far, the luckiest coach last season. Her team had a great deal of talent, but they could not defend against SC without fouling? Then they had a bunch of their players in foul trouble and SC beat them by 20. If you watch the LSU @ SC game, you'll see the difference between a well-coached team (SC) vs a talented team with a good coach (LSU). Reese was a virtual no show against Boston and she was equally poor against Cardosa. Had UConn gotten past Ohio State, they'd have beaten LSU, but it wasn't to be. Here's the replay of the SC vs LSU game and Reese did most of her scoring when she wasn't being guarded by Boston or Cardosa. Reese does not perform well against other athletic and talented bigs, and I'd pick Aaliyah over Reeses 8 days of the week. I agree with Paige not going #1 as it stands now; but if she remains healthy for the entire upcoming season, that'll change. There's no way I'd put Reese that high because she's only a threat very close to the rim. Moreover, against talented bigs; she's not good at all? Because she never took the time to develop her outside shot, she's easy to stop with another athletic big. Reese's basketball IQ leaves a lot to be desired and we'll see if she improves during the upcoming season? I would put Aaliyah ahead of Reese because she's a better defender, has a higher basketball IQ, can shoot from outside, hustles 100% of the time and has a better team attitude. Reese has a very immature basketball attitude. If you watch their game against SC, look at Reese's 2nd foul. She gets tangled up with Boston for no good reason and she gets the whistle? Now any good player should realize that he / she is needed on the floor, and should avoid foolish fouls? Not Reese, because she was already frustrated by Boston and needed to get even? Just really not smart at all? Also, Aaliyah played much better against Boston than did Reese. Kim chose not to challenge her team with competitive opponents and they weren't ready for SC.
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Post by rukia on Sept 24, 2023 12:22:47 GMT -5
Wait a second Ken. You are totally disregarding Virginia Tech in that analysis. That would have been a hard match up for UConn.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 13:42:24 GMT -5
Wait a second Ken. You are totally disregarding Virginia Tech in that analysis. That would have been a hard match up for UConn. VTech would have been a tough game for UConn, but I think UConn would have won against them. Kitley is tall, but she's not very athletic. Most imprtantly, I pick UConn over LSU and Reese. Aaliyah would have out-played Reese and UConn would have won that game. Iowa did not have a center or big who could handle Reese. Their center had a high basketball IQ, but she wasn't athletic enough or strong enough to compete with Reese.
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Post by linkster on Sept 24, 2023 18:44:26 GMT -5
To me, the best way to re-rank the 2020 class is in the WNBA draft. In 2020 those rankings reflected the college potential of high school players so using the same criteria let's re-rank them on the basis of pro potential. That kind of makes college stats as useful as HS stats were in the 2020 rankings. Forgetting the draft order of the teams I would predict that the top 5 draft picks will be Clark, Bueckers, Brink, Cardoso and A. Edwards(No 23 in 2020). Actually the top of the 2020 class will dominate the next WNBA draft. Compare that to the 2021 class where half of the top 10 have missed time due to injuries, mostly knees. Fudd, Johnson, Ducharme, Miles & Harmon. Not sure if any of the others missed time. SCar had the No 1 class but it has failed to produce much up until now, partly due to the players ahead of them on the roster. www.espn.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/rankings/_/class/2021
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Post by rukia on Sept 24, 2023 20:06:10 GMT -5
For the 2021 class, I think my reranked top 3 would be:
Azzi Miles Citron
Miles is a big question mark for me though. Don’t know what her status is at all.
Clearly looks like a weaker class atm
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