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Post by linkster on Aug 3, 2023 1:01:16 GMT -5
The first 3 games last year showed Azzi as healthy and a genertional tlent. If she's healthy again, with Paige supporting her, I expect great things. Paige is so giving she may well choose to supplement Azzi more than take charge herself. I don't want her to wait for Paige to give it to her. I want her to take it. She is not here to be Paige's Robin. This is a case of complimentary players. Bueckers is one of the most complete scorers in the country but she is even better as a facilitator. Fudd will be the primary outside shooter, that's what she does as good if not better than anyone. I don't care what her stats say. Someone had a chance to chat with Daley and Daley said that fans had yet to see the real Fudd and that she was finally healthy. (Dailey also said the same about Patterson.) What will make this team great will be the way they mesh together. Muhl, Bueckers, Edwards, Griffin, Fudd and Ducharme know each other and have a complete understanding of the system. They'll be able to adjust on the fly. This is a very mature team and that is important when March rolls around.
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Post by ucchamp on Aug 3, 2023 1:58:56 GMT -5
Smile or not, I do think she is less intense sometimes. She can be passive sometimes. I know as a freshman I wish Azzi had been more aggressive. I was one of the people saying I wish she had more of a Caroline mentality on the court. I am not totally satisfied with the early returns on Azzi. She was recruited as a generational talent and I see that. The talent is undeniable. I want to see her kick it up a notch this season. I know she can do so. C’mon what you are posting here is obscenely bias and unfair. First off, you were the one that brought up "smiling." Now you've moved the goalposts and smiling doesn’t count- so throw another dart. And as I've told mdoggie - you're making things up about such as "intense" because you favor style over substance. You like Van Lith's style okay- but it doesn’t make Azzi less. That’s my issue with the both of you. As far as what you expected as a frosh - imagine that ---you would expect Azzi who as a junior missed her whole h/s year. Her sr year was marred by COVID and her frosh year she was hurt from early on in the season- and you expected as she is stepping up vs the best of the best on college Div 1 in which she has experience pro caliber teammates several years older than her in which she was dealing early on with injuries, missing as much time as she had previously the prior years n h/s, that she should have stepped up to be better than the 3rd leading scorer for a team that went to the Finals in which she saved UCONN' big time in one NCAA early round game? And also - imagine that- you saw a freshman that was hurt quite a bit not really getting a flow for most of the season show she has flaws. How about that? Like no freshman including Diana Taurasi never showed a flaw as a frosh So how many times have you heard UCONN's staff say freshmen aren't ready. Yet it sems like you are holding it against the number 3 scorer that was a big part of UCONN getting to the Finals while not playing a lot over the past several years much much harder because you are a UCONN fan than you would if not a UCONN fan. Your expectation of her was unrealistic. Thew point is- of course you are going to find flaws from a freshmen. If you don't it is beyond rare. But Azzi has been hurt. That can't be discounted. There has to be a realistic expectation as a freshman. And As far as "kick it up a notch and Carolien's mentality. Huh?  I guess you missed the 1st games of the season? Since when has Caroline ever outplayed or played even the bets player in WCBB like Azzi did vs Iowa? You missed the Iowa game? what game did Carolien do vs such an elite opponent that matched Azzi did vs Iowa? Kick it up a notch??? She played Clark even if not more yet "kick it up a notch" in the context of criticism despite that Azzi really outplayed Clark of all players?  Seriously? And you realize that in the prior games she was competing against a Texas team in which the coach is known for his defense and with Duke kara came from a Defensive minded coach background and yet Azzi smoked them both for 32. What more of a notch could she have kicked up her play? How often have you seen UCONN players score over 30 in back-to-back games over defensive minded NCAA caliber teams?  Only the great UCONN players have done this. The issue I believe some fans have is until UCONN wins a title, a player like Azzi who is not uber-athletic, will get nit-picked because it appears she isn't hustling or isn’t intense etc because she just isn't uber-athletic. There is just very little appreciation for how great of a scorer she was when she was healthy. We had the Texas coach say no one has smoked him in years the way Azzi did. We had Azzi more than match Clark yet Caroline gets the accolades and Azzi “needs to kick it up a notch?”
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Post by rukia on Aug 3, 2023 2:06:52 GMT -5
You wrote a lot. We don’t agree. We have already hijacked the recruit thread a lot. Not going to continue the discussion.
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Post by ucchamp on Aug 3, 2023 3:18:17 GMT -5
You wrote a lot. We don’t agree. We have already hijacked the recruit thread a lot. Not going to continue the discussion. I wrote a lot because there is so much I disagree with. Even about your other points in which you said "that has been my argument." Or the comment that "she has has to take it." They have no meaning if you had watched the first 6 games imo. I had wrtten on another thread on here prior to our discussions on this thread how Azzi was underappreciated by UCONN fans. It was a recent post. I brought up about Iowa and other things - then you and doggie posted the type of things that highlighted my point that she's underappreciated. As far as recruiting, imo it's best if we could run a lot. The super recruits want to play in as much open space as possible. If UCONN gets healthy, we can expect a lot of blowuts. And as result, the super recruits continue to see that the style UCONN plays only enhances their game - and more than any other program. Hoping for Sarah Strong. Man, she would be an amazing amazing amazing fit.
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Post by mdoggie on Aug 3, 2023 5:56:26 GMT -5
You wrote a lot. We don’t agree. We have already hijacked the recruit thread a lot. Not going to continue the discussion. I wrote a lot because there is so much I disagree with. Even about your other points in which you said "that has been my argument." Or the comment that "she has has to take it." They have no meaning if you had watched the first 6 games imo. I had wrtten on another thread on here prior to our discussions on this thread how Azzi was underappreciated by UCONN fans. It was a recent post. I brought up about Iowa and other things - then you and doggie posted the type of things that highlighted my point that she's underappreciated. As far as recruiting, imo it's best if we could run a lot. The super recruits want to play in as much open space as possible. If UCONN gets healthy, we can expect a lot of blowuts. And as result, the super recruits continue to see that the style UCONN plays only enhances their game - and more than any other program. Hoping for Sarah Strong. Man, she would be an amazing amazing amazing fit. I just hope Strong has some dog in her game!  . Peace.
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Post by mdoggie on Aug 6, 2023 15:00:27 GMT -5
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Post by ucchamp on Aug 6, 2023 19:51:11 GMT -5
hahaha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 12:17:22 GMT -5
Stanford somehow managed to attract this young lady as their conference dissolves.....
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Post by rukia on Aug 7, 2023 13:01:41 GMT -5
Yep, I was shocked to see that. And I wonder if she will change her mind before ever actually attending Stanford.
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Post by mdoggie on Aug 7, 2023 13:21:22 GMT -5
Yep, I was shocked to see that. And I wonder if she will change her mind before ever actually attending Stanford. I have feeling it’s more about a Stanford degree than basketball.
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Post by rukia on Aug 7, 2023 13:29:30 GMT -5
She could have gotten a Notre Dame degree and been in a real conference. Notre Dame is an exciting place to be right now. I think it is a no brainer choice.
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Post by bulkey on Aug 7, 2023 13:29:35 GMT -5
From the videos I've seen, she seems like a good player. Not super fast or athletic or mobile (in the Brink, who is the same height, sort of way) but she'll be effective.
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Post by bulkey on Aug 7, 2023 13:32:32 GMT -5
She could have gotten a Notre Dame degree and been in a real conference. Notre Dame is an exciting place to be right now. I think it is a no brainer choice. With all due respect to semper, there's no comparison in young people's minds between ND and Stanford. Of course, she could get at least as good an education at ND. But Stanford is the darling for fame and fortune. Right now, the only two schools that give Harvard real competition on admissions are Stanford and MIT, because both sit on the golden path to high tech. Even if a 17 year old isn't planning to major in EE or CS, that's the buzz about Stanford. And admittedly, for as much as I dislike Shallow Alto and Stanford, just visit South Bend in the winter and the Bay Area in the winter and tell me where you want to spend the next 4 fall-winters of your life....
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Post by rukia on Aug 7, 2023 13:36:15 GMT -5
If it is all about a degree, should have gone to an Ivy League.
Sorry. I am really down on Stanford right now. Don’t want to come off that position.
The timing of the announcement is also bizarre for me. Why now? Why not a month from now when things are more clear and there is more certainty about the future?
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Post by bulkey on Aug 7, 2023 13:42:45 GMT -5
If it is all about a degree, should have gone to an Ivy League. Sorry. I am really down on Stanford right now. Don’t want to come off that position. The timing of the announcement is also bizarre for me. Why now? Why not a month from now when things are more clear and there is more certainty about the future? I certainly don't disagree about Stanford. So much to dislike. But I'm trying to see it from the point of view of a 17 year old with academic, as well as athletic, aspirations. And when I shop in January in Town and Country Shopping Center across from Stanford campus and see the female basketball players there (I won't post their names) walking around in shorts and t-shirts, it's really easy to understand how they recruit.....
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Post by mdoggie on Aug 7, 2023 14:06:28 GMT -5
She could have gotten a Notre Dame degree and been in a real conference. Notre Dame is an exciting place to be right now. I think it is a no brainer choice. For you or her?
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Post by rukia on Aug 7, 2023 14:13:44 GMT -5
Well I was thinking for both.
Stanford has better weather. I will give it that.
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Post by UConnChapette on Aug 7, 2023 14:23:11 GMT -5
Well I was thinking for both. Stanford has better weather. I will give it that. Way better than South Bend, granted. But winter is not always all that warm in the area between the Pacific Ocean and the San Francisco Bay. They definitely have cooler weather there than Sacramento or more southern areas like LA, Santa Barbara, San Diego, etc. Still short weather...for people like my son in Atherton, who wears shorts year round - including when he flies out to Connecticut for the Thanksgiving or Christmas holiday. But more like in the upper 60's then lower 80's in that area between bodies of water like Palo Alto.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 17:36:08 GMT -5
She could have gotten a Notre Dame degree and been in a real conference. Notre Dame is an exciting place to be right now. I think it is a no brainer choice. Or @ Duke???
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Post by bulkey on Aug 7, 2023 17:38:28 GMT -5
She could have gotten a Notre Dame degree and been in a real conference. Notre Dame is an exciting place to be right now. I think it is a no brainer choice. Or @ Duke??? True. That might have been the best place for her, a combination of various attractions. But she's from Maryland and may have wanted to go further away. I think ND thought they had the inside track on her. Folks over on that board are really disappointed. Made my day.
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Post by ucchamp on Aug 8, 2023 5:08:07 GMT -5
If it is all about a degree, should have gone to an Ivy League. Sorry. I am really down on Stanford right now. Don’t want to come off that position. The timing of the announcement is also bizarre for me. Why now? Why not a month from now when things are more clear and there is more certainty about the future? There are potentially many reasons. She is Hoppgurlz 28th ranked recruit. She is by no means a certainty for the WNBA or pro ball. But she has a chance. She goes to an Ivy League that lessens the chance. While ND is better than Stanford - it may not be if you are a destined role player. Secondly, a school like ND could be waiting for a top recruit that is better. While Stanford could have said to her that they have another recruit and the 1st one that commits gets the spot. These are natrual recuting tactics. Not all teams can afford to wait then wind up with nothing. Third, as mentioned above, ND is the stronger team right now. She probably gets more playing time at Stanford. So if she is considering a pro career as a possibility - she gets more playing time, a school that possibly wants her more, with a possible shot at pro ball (At ND probably more of a role player, and Stanford much better than the Ivy League in terms of pro exposure)- she is taking Stanford which is understandeable.
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Post by swash on Aug 8, 2023 5:28:16 GMT -5
If it is all about a degree, should have gone to an Ivy League. Sorry. I am really down on Stanford right now. Don’t want to come off that position. The timing of the announcement is also bizarre for me. Why now? Why not a month from now when things are more clear and there is more certainty about the future? There are potentially many reasons. She is Hoppgurlz 28th ranked recruit. She is by no means a certainty for the WNBA or pro ball. But she has a chance. She goes to an Ivy League that lessens the chance. While ND is better than Stanford - it may not be if you are a destined role player. Secondly, a school like ND could be waiting for a top recruit that is better. While Stanford could have said to her that they have another recruit and the 1st one that commits gets the spot. These are natrual recuting tactics. Not all teams can afford to wait then wind up with nothing. Third, as mentioned above, ND is the stronger team right now. She probably gets more playing time at Stanford. So if she is considering a pro career as a possibility - she gets more playing time, a school that possibly wants her more, with a possible shot at pro ball (At ND probably more of a role player, and Stanford much better than the Ivy League in terms of pro exposure)- she is taking Stanford which is understandeable. that's a lot of speculation... but it makes sense to me.
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Post by aubreyfan on Aug 8, 2023 11:20:05 GMT -5
Does anyone stop to consider that maybe basketball is not the top consideration in some of these college choice decisions? Basketball might be a means to an end for some of these players. A way to get entry into a top school.
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Post by ucchamp on Aug 8, 2023 11:41:42 GMT -5
There are potentially many reasons. She is Hoppgurlz 28th ranked recruit. She is by no means a certainty for the WNBA or pro ball. But she has a chance. She goes to an Ivy League that lessens the chance. While ND is better than Stanford - it may not be if you are a destined role player. Secondly, a school like ND could be waiting for a top recruit that is better. While Stanford could have said to her that they have another recruit and the 1st one that commits gets the spot. These are natrual recuting tactics. Not all teams can afford to wait then wind up with nothing. Third, as mentioned above, ND is the stronger team right now. She probably gets more playing time at Stanford. So if she is considering a pro career as a possibility - she gets more playing time, a school that possibly wants her more, with a possible shot at pro ball (At ND probably more of a role player, and Stanford much better than the Ivy League in terms of pro exposure)- she is taking Stanford which is understandeable. that's a lot of speculation... but it makes sense to me. Sure - but for a palyer clsoe to being a H/S A/A it mostly has to do with playing time, whether the players wants to be "the big fish or content not to be," wanting to go pro, and exposure. At least imo.
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Post by swash on Aug 8, 2023 12:34:28 GMT -5
Does anyone stop to consider that maybe basketball is not the top consideration in some of these college choice decisions? Basketball might be a means to an end for some of these players. A way to get entry into a top school. Certainly true overall, but candidates for UConn are usually pretty deep in their commitment to basketball as a future
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