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Post by rukia on May 30, 2023 0:22:37 GMT -5
This is going to be tough. Some of the teams team USA are up against are absolutely loaded!
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Post by bulkey on May 30, 2023 8:31:50 GMT -5
Thanks so much rukia. Great to see basketball again. USA splitting, losing to Canada, beating Hungry.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 8:46:19 GMT -5
The US was up 7-1 early on, but fell apart from there. Brink & VanLith were both lousy on offense, and only Brink played decent defense. Harper and Burdick really kept the US in this game. The US fouled too often and missed their defensive assignments on cutting Canadians, leading to layups? Up 7-1, primarily because the Canadians weren't hitting their shots, the US stumbled with back to back panic turnovers by Brink. She's a very good defender, with great length and agility; but struggled on offense this game. Van Lith took too many dumb shots and she shouldn't have? Stats: fiba3x3.basketball/2023/worldcup/games/2a9b12f2-a310-45f6-b9e1-433c83c7bde2Sorry, but I can't get the stats page to load? Games: Van Lith shot 2-12 and Brink 1-4, and they had 3 of the team's 4 turnovers.
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Post by rukia on May 30, 2023 9:07:59 GMT -5
I will watch later on the team USA youtube channel.
I thought the Canada team looked extremely tough on paper.
That game looks like it was pretty low scoring. HVL and Brink are really good. But they are a lot younger. We probably are able to send a stronger team when the WNBA is not in full swing.
It looks like they rebounded well against Hungary though.
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Post by bulkey on May 30, 2023 9:26:34 GMT -5
I will watch later on the team USA youtube channel. I thought the Canada team looked extremely tough on paper. That game looks like it was pretty low scoring. HVL and Brink are really good. But they are a lot younger. We probably are able to send a stronger team when the WNBA is not in full swing. It looks like they rebounded well against Hungary though. As Ken said, Brink and HVL weren't really playing a 3x3 game. Maybe they'll settle into it, but especially HVL was largely out of control.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 9:37:28 GMT -5
I will watch later on the team USA youtube channel. I thought the Canada team looked extremely tough on paper. That game looks like it was pretty low scoring. HVL and Brink are really good. But they are a lot younger. We probably are able to send a stronger team when the WNBA is not in full swing. It looks like they rebounded well against Hungary though. Canada was quite tall and they have the Plouffe sisters, one of whom is rated very high in 3x3 ball. 3x3 is so different than 5 on 5 and Canada had better teamwork than the US.
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Post by rukia on May 30, 2023 9:40:12 GMT -5
Van Lith stats for the Hungary game look a lot better.
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Post by bulkey on May 30, 2023 9:43:11 GMT -5
Van Lith stats for the Hungary game look a lot better. Yes, statistically better, but watch how she plays. She put a Hungarian player on the ground a couple of times in the last minutes.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 9:46:17 GMT -5
Here's the article on USA Basketball and it has both box scores. www.usab.com/news/2023/05/usa-women-3x3-wc-day-1The US won the rebound battle during both games, but fouled too frequently against Canada. They fouled less against Hungary, shot better and won the game. Much better effort for al of the 4 US players during the Hungary game.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 9:48:08 GMT -5
Van Lith stats for the Hungary game look a lot better. Yes, statistically better, but watch how she plays. She put a Hungarian player on the ground a couple of times in the last minutes. The last 'close out', where she flattened the Hungarian player, was because Van Lith was - AGAIN - out of position. Still, she played much better this game.
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Post by rukia on May 30, 2023 10:16:22 GMT -5
Sounds like this is spin based on what I am reading in this thread.
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Post by linkster on May 30, 2023 14:19:07 GMT -5
Sounds like this is spin based on what I am reading in this thread. Van Lith was getting star treatment before she entered college but her size has reduced her effectiveness at the higher level.
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Post by rukia on May 30, 2023 14:24:53 GMT -5
Okay, I watched US and Canada.
I actually think the US were unlucky to lose this game. Led by as many as six. Led most of the way. The game was even with around 40 seconds to play. They definitely had their chances to win this game. So, what went wrong?
Foul trouble. Foul trouble hurt team USA. They gifted Canada several free points. I thought Cameron brink played pretty good defense. But she also committed a lot of fouls. Including a killer in the final minute.
Cameron Brink also missed some bunnies. She didn’t finish well through contact. Needs to be stronger in the remaining games.
Burdick had a really dumb lane violation on a free throw. It was the first of two. She is a 3x3 regular. That was inexcusable and just a lapse in concentration.
HVL had some defensive lapses in the last minute that led to back to back layups for Canada. Those baskets really put the game out of reach.
Neither team shot free throws all the well. Left points on the board.
No one on Canada stood out to me in this game. Harper was probably the best player on the court for either team.
I did find myself thinking that Cameron really should have come to UConn. We really could prepare her more for the pros. She had a couple of turnovers trying to reset the ball. This is the result of her handle not being as strong as it could be imo.
HVL missed some open 2’s. It is a different game if she makes those. And I think she will in the next couple of matches.
Game 1. Really not that bad. Creighton won the nationals and they lost a game too.
the commentary was okay. I didn’t have to mute it and that is rare for me.
Edit: oh yeah. And one of the Canadian players was bleeding from the head. I didn’t really see how it happened. She got tangled with Hailey Van Lith and went to the ground. That is all I know. 🤷♂️
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Post by bulkey on May 30, 2023 15:45:32 GMT -5
I agree that Brink would likely be a better basketball player now if she had gone to UConn. But that was never going to be in the cards, Curry really "discovered" her, and she wanted to stay close to him (and her parents are huge fans and aren't far from there either). Also, have you ever compared Stanford's Instagram account to UConn's. For the Trees, it's all Cameron glam shots all the time. That's her self-image, and it will work for her in the pros, too, as crowds will come out for her. But that isn't Storrs or UConn.
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Post by rukia on May 30, 2023 16:20:56 GMT -5
I don’t envision Brink as someone that can take over a game on the offensive end. And I think that is a real shame because the potential is off the charts.
Maybe it is not too late, but that part of her game will have to be developed professionally. It won’t happen at Stanford. The same way Stanford could not help Haley Jones with her three point shooting.
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Post by bulkey on May 30, 2023 16:24:09 GMT -5
I don’t envision Brink as someone that can take over a game on the offensive end. And I think that is a real shame because the potential is off the charts. Maybe it is not too late, but that part of her game will have to be developed professionally. Don't know if the potential is "off the charts." It's not like she's had bad coaching. She's had really supportive parents willing to go the extra mile for her, lots of extra-mural coaching and conditioning, and the Stanford team has been pretty much built around her. How exactly would she be better at Storrs? She's a high-volume, lowish percentage streaky shooter. Would her shooting have improved appreciably at UConn instead of working out with Steph Curry?
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Post by rukia on May 30, 2023 16:27:09 GMT -5
I don’t envision Brink as someone that can take over a game on the offensive end. And I think that is a real shame because the potential is off the charts. Maybe it is not too late, but that part of her game will have to be developed professionally. Don't know if the potential is "off the charts." It's not like she's had bad coaching. She's had really supportive parents willing to go the extra mile for her, lots of extra-mural coaching and conditioning, and the Stanford team has been pretty much built around her. How exactly would she be better at Storrs? She's a high-volume, lowish percentage streaky shooter. Would her shooting have improved at UConn? yeah, I think so. Maybe we would have helped her develop more of an interior game too? I am going to have to rethink my personal assessment of Brink. I might have had her too high on my wnba mock draft for 2024. 🤔
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Post by bulkey on May 30, 2023 16:29:37 GMT -5
Don't know if the potential is "off the charts." It's not like she's had bad coaching. She's had really supportive parents willing to go the extra mile for her, lots of extra-mural coaching and conditioning, and the Stanford team has been pretty much built around her. How exactly would she be better at Storrs? She's a high-volume, lowish percentage streaky shooter. Would her shooting have improved at UConn? yeah, I think so. Maybe we would have helped her develop more of an interior game too? I am going to have to rethink my personal assessment of Brink. I might have had her too high on my wnba mock draft for 2024. 🤔 Could be right about the interior game. OTOH, she obviously has a hard time keeping on weight (a problem I'd give a lot to have !). In the WNBA she'll be beaten up inside. She's better off at the small forward spot, since she's a great slasher and also will get a lot of ribbies being a bit outside the rim.
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Post by rukia on May 30, 2023 16:31:32 GMT -5
That was an issue in the 3x3 match with Canada. 3x3 typically allows more physicality than 5x5. Brink was bumped and missed at least two she should finish.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on May 30, 2023 17:09:18 GMT -5
The US was up 7-1 early on, but fell apart from there. Brink & VanLith were both lousy on offense, and only Brink played decent defense. Harper and Burdick really kept the US in this game. The US fouled too often and missed their defensive assignments on cutting Canadians, leading to layups? Up 7-1, primarily because the Canadians weren't hitting their shots, the US stumbled with back to back panic turnovers by Brink. She's a very good defender, with great length and agility; but struggled on offense this game. Van Lith took too many dumb shots and she shouldn't have? Stats: fiba3x3.basketball/2023/worldcup/games/2a9b12f2-a310-45f6-b9e1-433c83c7bde2Sorry, but I can't get the stats page to load? Games: Van Lith shot 2-12 and Brink 1-4, and they had 3 of the team's 4 turnovers. When I saw the headline my immediate reaction was "Brink really?" I have not seen all that much of her, but feel like the pace of 3X3 could be a challenge for her. I can see Paige looking at these results and grinding her teeth more than a little.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on May 30, 2023 17:19:08 GMT -5
I agree that Brink would likely be a better basketball player now if she had gone to UConn. But that was never going to be in the cards, Curry really "discovered" her, and she wanted to stay close to him (and her parents are huge fans and aren't far from there either). Also, have you ever compared Stanford's Instagram account to UConn's. For the Trees, it's all Cameron glam shots all the time. That's her self-image, and it will work for her in the pros, too, as crowds will come out for her. But that isn't Storrs or UConn. This will come off as mean, but it is just an observation. At least at certain angles Cameron looks sorta goofy to me.
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Post by doggydaddy on May 30, 2023 17:30:01 GMT -5
Rukia says fire the coach.
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Post by BJ42 on May 30, 2023 17:42:12 GMT -5
I don’t envision Brink as someone that can take over a game on the offensive end. And I think that is a real shame because the potential is off the charts. Maybe it is not too late, but that part of her game will have to be developed professionally. It won’t happen at Stanford. The same way Stanford could not help Haley Jones with her three point shooting.Players like Haley Jones are a dime a dozen in the WNBA. The fault for her not developing as a shooter and that she won't be a factor in the league lies with Jones not Stanford. She had plenty of time in 3-4 years to hook up with a quality shooting instructor during offseasons but didn't bother. There are players who develop their shooting after they go pro like Gabby Williams because their job depends on it but if Jones' priority is to continue to work on her hairstyle at the expense of her job, she'll be finding another job fairly soon.
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Post by rukia on May 30, 2023 17:54:10 GMT -5
Yeah maybe. Maybe she tried and failed? In the NBA, I bet they threw a million shooting coaches at Ben Simmons.
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Post by bulkey on May 30, 2023 17:59:35 GMT -5
Players like Haley Jones are a dime a dozen in the WNBA. The fault for her not developing as a shooter and that she won't be a factor in the league lies with Jones not Stanford. She had plenty of time in 3-4 years to hook up with a quality shooting instructor during offseasons but didn't bother. There are players who develop their shooting after they go pro like Gabby Williams because their job depends on it but if Jones' priority is to continue to work on her hairstyle at the expense of her job, she'll be finding another job fairly soon. "This offseason, she went to rehab for her knee injury four times a week, worked on her shot and ball handling with Packie" [Turner: a highly acclaimed shooting and ballhandling coach]
upbtraining.com/blogs/news/catching-up-with-haley-jones
To prepare, Jones spent the offseason working on her dribbling and perimeter shooting. She trained with skills coach Packie Turner, who has helped other high-profile court creators like Stephen Curry and Sabrina Ionescu.
www.si.com/college/2022/11/18/stanford-womens-basketball-haley-jones-happiness-professor
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