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Post by rvwsleep on Mar 19, 2021 9:02:12 GMT -5
There are a number of members on McGraw's Bench that have levied specific charges against the current coaching staff. I won't drag them over here but suffice it to say "It ain't pretty". Tough to say what kind of backlash there will be (if any), but if I was a potential recruit, I would think long and hard about going there. Link ndnation.com/boards/index.php?mcgraw |
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Post by UConnChapette on Mar 19, 2021 9:14:20 GMT -5
I do feel badly for the players. What a freaking mess. How can one program fall so far, so fast, is beyond me.
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Post by swash on Mar 19, 2021 9:44:10 GMT -5
There are a number of members on McGraw's Bench that have levied specific charges against the current coaching staff. I won't drag them over here but suffice it to say "It ain't pretty". Tough to say what kind of backlash there will be (if any), but if I was a potential recruit, I would think long and hard about going there. Link ndnation.com/boards/index.php?mcgrawYeah, but recruits have stars in their eyes, rarely considering or even seeking out any feedback that isn't glowing about one of their finalists |
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Post by chicagogg on Mar 19, 2021 9:47:39 GMT -5
Wow. This is getting ugly for ND.
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Post by swash on Mar 19, 2021 9:59:59 GMT -5
Wow. This is getting ugly for ND. I fear the return of a rejuvenated Muffet as a program savior. That'll goose the recruiting like when Niele was named. They'll figure out a face-saving path for Ivey back to the NBA or something. I don't think she is a great developer of talent, but she's miles better than Brenda, who does it entirely on great recruiting. |
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Post by grrrrr on Mar 19, 2021 10:23:35 GMT -5
I went over there and read some of the stuff. Wow. Sounds like multiple issues not one or two. The recruiting comments were interesting, granted 95% was fan speculation but some was direct quotes from the HC. Another example going back to what Caroline, Saylor and every other player UCONN recruits said about the recruiting process. All Geno promises is that you'll get the same chance as everyone else, playing time is going to depend on how you practice and how you fit in with the team. They said other coaches made promises or statements that basically said they would start or be the star. Sounds exactly what the ND coach was telling her recruits, except she was telling them all the same thing. That is not what a really competitive player want's to hear, they want to be challenged. They don't want anything given to them, they want to earn it. We worry, fret, obsess but it's only about basketball. How lucky we are to root for a drama free program.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 12:38:59 GMT -5
There are a number of members on McGraw's Bench that have levied specific charges against the current coaching staff. I won't drag them over here but suffice it to say "It ain't pretty". Tough to say what kind of backlash there will be (if any), but if I was a potential recruit, I would think long and hard about going there. Link ndnation.com/boards/index.php?mcgrawWhen the Notre Dame coaching change happened a year ago, I initially thought they handled it quickly and well. Then, murmurs began to seep out about the 'Zoom' call where the team was told that Beth Cunningham had left ND for another opportunity and other lies? It didn't make sense to me for Ivey to bring in Coquese Washington from Penn State where her final 5 years were atrocious? Cunningham was quickly offered a coaching position @ Duke and I wonder if any ND players will follow her there? This is sad for the players and really sours me on the Ivey mystique!! It's alleged that Ivey didn't even bother telling Cunningham herself that she was fired and that was left to McGraw? Not a great way to start your head coaching career by DUCKING a big personnel change and not having the decency to tell Cunningham you were letting her go? Cunningham is still the ND Women's all time scoring leader and she recruited many of their current players? This will get worse before it gets better!!  |
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Post by bulkey on Mar 19, 2021 14:08:25 GMT -5
Is it entirely mean-spirited of me to suggest that, if the shoe were on the other foot and UConn were in melt-down, that Notre Dame fans would be doing backflips? And that they might fail to express any pity toward Husky players?
UConn has been a dominating force for a quarter of a century. But, despite what a few Tennessee fans believe, it has not rubbed other teams' noses in it. It has swagger and yet does not carry itself as if the institution were something special. Even Stanford, an ultra-elite school in getting its students good jobs in consulting (you thought I was going to say ultra-elite "in academics" didn't you? ha!) doesn't act that way.
It is so very, very easy to root against Notre Dame....Schadenfreude, thy name is a Leprechaun.
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Post by davidinnaples on Mar 19, 2021 14:14:33 GMT -5
Is it entirely mean-spirited of me to suggest that, if the shoe were on the other foot and UConn were in melt-down, that Notre Dame fans would be doing backflips? And that they might fail to express any pity toward Husky players? UConn has been a dominating force for a quarter of a century. But, despite what a few Tennessee fans believe, it has not rubbed other teams' noses in it. It has swagger and yet does not carry itself as if the institution were something special. Even Stanford, an ultra-elite school in getting its students good jobs in consulting (you thought I was going to say ultra-elite "in academics" didn't you? ha!) doesn't act that way. It is so very, very easy to root against Notre Dame....Schadenfreude, thy name is a Leprechaun. I said exactly the same thing to my waiter from Duke at lunch today...  |
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Post by bulkey on Mar 19, 2021 14:21:49 GMT -5
Is it entirely mean-spirited of me to suggest that, if the shoe were on the other foot and UConn were in melt-down, that Notre Dame fans would be doing backflips? And that they might fail to express any pity toward Husky players? UConn has been a dominating force for a quarter of a century. But, despite what a few Tennessee fans believe, it has not rubbed other teams' noses in it. It has swagger and yet does not carry itself as if the institution were something special. Even Stanford, an ultra-elite school in getting its students good jobs in consulting (you thought I was going to say ultra-elite "in academics" didn't you? ha!) doesn't act that way. It is so very, very easy to root against Notre Dame....Schadenfreude, thy name is a Leprechaun. I said exactly the same thing to my waiter from Duke at lunch today... that's great! There's an old academic joke: What does the humanities grad say to the the engineering grad when they meet for the first time in 20 years? would you like fries with that burger? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 18:15:12 GMT -5
A bunch of posters on McGraw's Mausoleum had been expecting Ayanna Patterson to choose ND and now the entire bunch is in mourning?? I don't know why anyone would expect Ayanna to jump on their sinking ship, but they're as confused as the wizards on Lady Vol Nation?  Now that Geno & CD have out-sourced their recruiting to Paige & Azzi; UConn is in tip top shape!!!  I'm certain they'll be angry @ Lady Vol Nation as well............  |
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Post by radylady on Mar 20, 2021 18:25:20 GMT -5
I went over there and read some of the stuff. Wow. Sounds like multiple issues not one or two. The recruiting comments were interesting, granted 95% was fan speculation but some was direct quotes from the HC. Another example going back to what Caroline, Saylor and every other player UCONN recruits said about the recruiting process. All Geno promises is that you'll get the same chance as everyone else, playing time is going to depend on how you practice and how you fit in with the team. They said other coaches made promises or statements that basically said they would start or be the star. Sounds exactly what the ND coach was telling her recruits, except she was telling them all the same thing. That is not what a really competitive player want's to hear, they want to be challenged. They don't want anything given to them, they want to earn it. We worry, fret, obsess but it's only about basketball. How lucky we are to root for a drama free program. ANd this is the problem with a coach/coaching staff that coddles their "stars". Managing expectations is not in the cards for these folks. |
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Post by grrrrr on Mar 20, 2021 18:44:47 GMT -5
A bunch of posters on McGraw's Mausoleum had been expecting Ayanna Patterson to choose ND and now the entire bunch is in mourning?? I don't know why anyone would expect Ayanna to jump on their sinking ship, but they're as confused as the wizards on Lady Vol Nation? Now that Geno & CD have out-sourced their recruiting to Paige & Azzi; UConn is in tip top shape!!! I'm certain they'll be angry @ Lady Vol Nation as well............ The outsourced recruiting line was great, and also has an element of truth to it. |
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Post by grrrrr on Mar 20, 2021 19:03:56 GMT -5
I just went over there, that is the biggest white flag I've ever seen. Now the general consensus, after one season, is the NI is not only a lousy coach but a lousy recruiter too. "That's not true, she had the #3 rated class last year!" "Yeah, well three of them just entered the transfer portal, where do you think they rank now?" I could not deal with this, heartfelt thanks to all those who make sure we don't have to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 19:07:16 GMT -5
I went over there and read some of the stuff. Wow. Sounds like multiple issues not one or two. The recruiting comments were interesting, granted 95% was fan speculation but some was direct quotes from the HC. Another example going back to what Caroline, Saylor and every other player UCONN recruits said about the recruiting process. All Geno promises is that you'll get the same chance as everyone else, playing time is going to depend on how you practice and how you fit in with the team. They said other coaches made promises or statements that basically said they would start or be the star. Sounds exactly what the ND coach was telling her recruits, except she was telling them all the same thing. That is not what a really competitive player want's to hear, they want to be challenged. They don't want anything given to them, they want to earn it. We worry, fret, obsess but it's only about basketball. How lucky we are to root for a drama free program. ANd this is the problem with a coach/coaching staff that coddles their "stars". Managing expectations is not in the cards for these folks. The really intelligent and talented players understand that the best coaches & team mates will challenge them every day and help them to become the best they can be! UConn will prepare them for basketball and even more importantly for life!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 19:11:09 GMT -5
A bunch of posters on McGraw's Mausoleum had been expecting Ayanna Patterson to choose ND and now the entire bunch is in mourning?? I don't know why anyone would expect Ayanna to jump on their sinking ship, but they're as confused as the wizards on Lady Vol Nation? Now that Geno & CD have out-sourced their recruiting to Paige & Azzi; UConn is in tip top shape!!! I'm certain they'll be angry @ Lady Vol Nation as well............ The outsourced recruiting line was great, and also has an element of truth to it. Geno, CD, Shea and Jamelle talk to the recruits; but Paige & Azzi already have them sold on UConn!! |
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Mar 21, 2021 17:31:37 GMT -5
I missed this thread! Like porterhouse to a bear and I missed it! Ivey sure is off to a miserable start and what is coming out of the Bench paints a pretty classless, ugly portrait.
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Mar 21, 2021 18:28:10 GMT -5
Just went back to the Bench. Tough sledding over there. Comprehending some of it is tough as they speak in code it seems. Patterson's commit to UConn really has them down. References to Jewel Lyodd's rif with Muffet as a big blow to recruiting. Some hope for action from the Portal. I would think that was worth a look.
Anyway, now they are a case study and I cannot look away.
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Post by UConnChapette on Mar 21, 2021 18:32:53 GMT -5
Just went back to the Bench. Tough sledding over there. Comprehending some of it is tough as they speak in code it seems. Patterson's commit to UConn really has them down. References to Jewel Lyodd's rif with Muffet as a big blow to recruiting. Some hope for action from the Portal. I would think that was worth a look. Anyway, now they are a case study and I cannot look away. A train wreck? |
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Post by grrrrr on Mar 21, 2021 18:37:40 GMT -5
Just went back to the Bench. Tough sledding over there. Comprehending some of it is tough as they speak in code it seems. Patterson's commit to UConn really has them down. References to Jewel Lyodd's rif with Muffet as a big blow to recruiting. Some hope for action from the Portal. I would think that was worth a look. Anyway, now they are a case study and I cannot look away. The portal can be quick fix for a depleted roster but can also cause moral problems. Couldn't happen to a more deserving crew. |
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