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Post by phil on Mar 13, 2021 13:55:44 GMT -5
Anyone watching the Texas Baylor game?
I'm not, just looking at the box score and wondering what's going on with the player slated to be the number one draft choice in the WNBA.
She has fewer points than turnovers, fewer shot attempts than personal fouls, and fewer rebounds than Warren, a guard who is not a starter. What's going on?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 14:02:24 GMT -5
Anyone watching the Texas Baylor game? I'm not, just looking at the box score and wondering what's going on with the player slated to be the number one draft choice in the WNBA. She has fewer points than turnovers, fewer shot attempts than personal fouls, and fewer rebounds than Warren, a guard who is not a starter. What's going on? Whichever WNBA team selects her will have a major project??? She is foul-prone and disappears during their big games? WNBA will be a tougher road for her? Dallas Wings will likely choose her, but..............................  |
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Post by nyhuskyfan on Mar 13, 2021 14:02:47 GMT -5
She has repeatedly tapped out in the big games this year.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 13, 2021 15:26:44 GMT -5
She has repeatedly tapped out in the big games this year. Today: 1 basket; 1 rebound. Simply astonishing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 15:32:38 GMT -5
She has repeatedly tapped out in the big games this year. Today: 1 basket; 1 rebound. Simply astonishing. Played 16 minutes and was whistled for 4 fouls? If you look at virtually all of the Texas losses this season, you'll see Collier disappear? I hope Dallas selects her this draft and that'll keep them cellar dwellers with Arike shooting 25 times a game and no / very few wins to show for it??? Natalie Butler has 10x the heart of Collier ..............!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 16:27:21 GMT -5
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Post by bulkey on Mar 13, 2021 16:53:45 GMT -5
so, although snatching only 1 ribbie, at least she managed to make 3 turnovers. So, at least that's one way to fill the box score. honestly, if it's just a matter of getting into her head, it's not going to get easier at the next level. |
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Post by vtcwbuff on Mar 13, 2021 17:05:45 GMT -5
And in her defense she did shoot 50% - from the FT line. So did UConn dodge a bullet or would she have been a superstar under Auriemma?
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Post by rockymtblue2 on Mar 13, 2021 17:06:13 GMT -5
How do you hold your head up with a performance like that?
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Post by semper on Mar 13, 2021 18:09:28 GMT -5
She would have been a super star at UCONN, I bet. Or she would have tranferred.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 13, 2021 18:52:03 GMT -5
great post, semper!
Despite her disappearance act in big games, that won't stop the commentators from talking her up.
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Post by linkster on Mar 13, 2021 18:54:52 GMT -5
She picked up her second foul about 3 min in and sat the half.
Of more interest was the play of Baylor. At the halfway point of the third period Baylor had 2 baskets outside the paint and one of those was just outside on the baseline. I was not impressed with Baylor, lots of sloppy passing and ball handling. Their offense was either a fast break or chuck and scrum. Texas is the best team they have faced. I like UConn's chances if they meet.
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Post by magic on Mar 13, 2021 18:58:39 GMT -5
There's no question that Collier is an athletically gifted player w/size. But after 4 years of college , I've seen little improvement. Now, I can't comment on her work ethic, but seems to me that something is lacking .
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Post by UConnChapette on Mar 13, 2021 19:06:07 GMT -5
Let’s not forget that Collier was coached by a perpetually under performing coach until this year. Had she gotten three years of coaching by Vic she may be better, especially in the big games.
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Post by huskyharper on Mar 13, 2021 19:13:08 GMT -5
Let’s not forget that Collier was coached by a perpetually under performing coach until this year. Had she gotten three years of coaching by Vic she may be better, especially in the big games. You're right, Chappy. If she'd had Vic or another GOOD coach, she'd probably be a much different player now.
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Post by bulkey on Mar 14, 2021 0:07:21 GMT -5
Well, she could have had another year with Vic, but as it is, she's going to be a pro, with different coaches a couple of times/year. Players rarely get more disciplined after going pro.
OTOH, we don't know her or her family's financial situation, and going professional now may be a necessity.
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Post by yetanotherwilliams on Mar 14, 2021 3:03:24 GMT -5
Now, I can't comment on her work ethic ... I'm pretty sure you just did ;-) There's a word for this type of subtly undermining literary or rhetorical device which pretends to be neutral or faintly positive but really isn't -- litotes, which ironically means 'simple' in Greek, even though, the phrasing of this device 'is not the most straightforward way of making one's point.' 'I wouldn't say he's a 'bad' driver ... ' 'It wasn't the worst play I've ever seen...' |
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Post by swash on Mar 14, 2021 6:57:45 GMT -5
Well, she could have had another year with Vic, but as it is, she's going to be a pro, with different coaches a couple of times/year. Players rarely get more disciplined after going pro. OTOH, we don't know her or her family's financial situation, and going professional now may be a necessity. Could have opted for two more years with Texas, but is probably making the right choice. A lot more competition for good rookie contracts next year. She'll likely play as a 6'5" PF in the pros. She's athletic and strong. Not afraid to shoot midrange or even threes. The tools are there. Hard for a GM to pass, even though her college career has indicated there are holes in her game. Also, refs call fewer fouls in the pros and overseas. She will have some growing up to do, but that's the case for a lot of players. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 8:42:35 GMT -5
Let’s not forget that Collier was coached by a perpetually under performing coach until this year. Had she gotten three years of coaching by Vic she may be better, especially in the big games. She's got what coaches refer to as the Holly Warlick Coaching Syndrome!!! It took Mercedes Russell 2 years to grow out of it??? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 8:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by swash on Mar 14, 2021 9:43:37 GMT -5
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Post by grrrrr on Mar 14, 2021 9:51:14 GMT -5
She would have been a super star at UCONN, I bet. Or she would have tranferred. Agree 100%, don't have a clue which way it would have went but one of the two for sure. Maybe she's already dreaming about counting the pro dough. Still, it kinda turned out ok for us, right? |
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Post by swash on Mar 14, 2021 9:58:17 GMT -5
She would have been a super star at UCONN, I bet. Or she would have tranferred. Agree 100%, don't have a clue which way it would have went but one of the two for sure. Maybe she's already dreaming about counting the pro dough. Still, it kinda turned out ok for us, right? We can only speculate that alternate history, but Liv as the four and Charlie at the five might have been pretty potent. Her development would be different, focusing on the UCONN way ... passing and moving more, fouling less... |
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Post by bulkey on Mar 14, 2021 10:04:45 GMT -5
Now, I can't comment on her work ethic ... I'm pretty sure you just did ;-) There's a word for this type of subtly undermining literary or rhetorical device which pretends to be neutral or faintly positive but really isn't -- litotes, which ironically means 'simple' in Greek, even though, the phrasing of this device 'is not the most straightforward way of making one's point.' 'I wouldn't say he's a 'bad' driver ... ' 'It wasn't the worst play I've ever seen...' Not to be too didactic, I agree with your interpretation of litotes, but not with magic's use of it. Litotes must explicitly include, not just imply, the double negative, as in your example: "'It wasn't the worst play I've ever seen...'" Or "not to be too didactic": obviously I am being too didactic, or maybe merely obnoxious. What magic expressed was an apophasis, more technically known as a paralipsis. |
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Post by bulkey on Mar 14, 2021 10:10:35 GMT -5
Agree 100%, don't have a clue which way it would have went but one of the two for sure. Maybe she's already dreaming about counting the pro dough. Still, it kinda turned out ok for us, right? We can only speculate that alternate history, but Liv as the four and Charlie at the five might have been pretty potent. Her development would be different, focusing on the UCONN way ... passing and moving more, fouling less... But IIRC, Liv signed on after Charli decommitted. So, IIRC, then Liv might not have come to UConn if Charli had. Bigs can be very territorial. |
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